Ovaries

Anything But Mid is hosted by Amy Edwards and Whitney Stropp. Neither host is a doctor and nothing here is medical advice. Lightly cleaned for readability.

Whitney: I'm Whitney.

Amy: I'm Amy, and this is midlife. We are anything but mid, baby.

Whitney: Okay, Amy, I talked about it and I brought it.

Amy: The NAD spray?

Whitney: The NAD nasal spray.

Amy: How is it?

Whitney: I haven't tried it. I'm going to try it for the first time.

Amy: Right now?

Whitney: Yes.

Amy: Ooh!

Whitney: That's what I was thinking. I'm a little nervous. I don't usually

Amy: You have to shake it up?

Whitney: snort anything or

Amy: Oh, I love to snort stuff. I love it! I love it!

Whitney: Yeah, what'd you used to snort that was a little odd?

Amy: Ketamine?

Whitney: Yes.

Amy: Oh, yeah, yeah.

Whitney: But then wasn't there something that you chopped up and then snorted?

Amy: Ketamine.

Whitney: Oh, it was ketamine.

Amy: It was ketamine and also they stopped making the nasal spray so I took like a lozenge or whatever, and I crushed it up and melted it down with some like I heated it up and melted it down and then I mixed it with saline and made my own nasal spray. I know. It's terrible. It's terrible.

Whitney: Oh, my gosh.

Amy: I started to wonder if I had a little bit of a problem.

Whitney: We do need to do something on ketamine, because I'm so curious about it.

Amy: Oh, we should do it, then. I'll do it.

Whitney: I mean

Amy: I'll do it. Great! That's an easy one for me, and I can speak a lot from personal experience, so let me write down a note. Ketamine.

Whitney: Yeah, I would love to know more about it. Write it in your notes.

Amy: And yes. And alternative medicine. Okay, cool.

Whitney: Okay. All right. So for those of you who didn't hear the episode on NAD

Amy: NAD. I will link it in the show notes.

Whitney: Yeah, it's really something that is, it's in every cell that we have, and it helps with lots of things. I'm looking at it for mental clarity. So I was taking pills and getting flushed and I didn't even think that maybe it worked well. So I did a little more research and saw that they did a nasal spray and that goes straight up into your brain.

Amy: Love it.

Whitney: So I'm thinking

Amy: So this is going to be

Whitney: this is going to be easier for mental clarity. I don't know, we're going to see.

Amy: Shake well. One to two

Whitney: in each nostril

Amy: times in each nostril. I can't believe I can read this. I can

Whitney: I know. I was going to Barely read it.

Amy: barely read it.

Whitney: I wonder I guess I don't need a Kleenex or anything. Is it going to fall out of my nose?

Amy: It might. Okay, here you go.

Whitney: I'm so scared.

Amy: Can I do it too or is there not? Do you care?

Whitney: Yeah, I mean there's only one of these, so

Amy: I think you've got to pop that thing out.

Whitney: That's what she said.

Amy: Uh-oh! Nope. You were wrong.

Whitney: That thing. That thing.

Amy: It slides out. Yeah. Okay, so this What's the brand?

Whitney: Okay, hold on. The brand is Renue. I did research on which would be

Amy: R-E-N-U-E by

Whitney: Science.

Amy: Sounds a little just by science.

Whitney: By science. All right, I'm just going to do this.

Amy: Okay. Two in each nostril, let's see how that is. See if it burns or anything. Inhale when you do it.

Whitney: Two in each nostril. Oh, my gosh. Do what? Inhale? Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That didn't even work. I don't think it's working. That's the first time. Okay, ready?

Amy: Yeah.

Whitney: Oh, shit. Okay.

Amy: Are your eyes watering?

Whitney: Oh, shit.

Amy: Does it burn?

Whitney: It just feels weird. She looks like she's crying. Okay. Oh, shit. Okay.

Amy: Oh, shit. What's happening?

Whitney: It just feels weird, but it's not burning or anything.

Amy: Feels weird?

Whitney: Yeah, it just feels weird.

Amy: Feels weird how?

Whitney: Like I just squeezed some stuff up into my nose. Like I got water in my nose.

Amy: Ow! It feels like you got water in your nose. I'm only doing one per side. Ooh. Ay, ay, ay. Ow.

Whitney: Okay, well, you got Oh, you didn't Oh, I don't

Amy: Okay, so I only did one on each.

Whitney: Okay. It says one to two per. Now we're going to see how mentally clear I feel.

Amy: Okay, great. Do you feel anything? Are you feeling it yet?

Whitney: Are you feeling anything?

Amy: My nostrils feel very open.

Whitney: Oh, they do? Mine feel like they're closing.

Amy: Well, I didn't do two. I did one on each. I'm still a little burning. You know, I kind of like it.

Whitney: I feel like it's going down my throat.

Amy: Oh, that's the best part, isn't it?

Whitney: No.

Amy: I mean, when you do like cocaine or whatever, that's the part I like.

Whitney: I only did cocaine one time.

Amy: Yeah? Once ever in your life, huh?

Whitney: It was literally like an after school special. It was my boyfriend in high school. We were at a high school party. He took me into the bathroom

Amy: High school? Wow.

Whitney: and he rolled up a dollar bill and he was like, "You want to do this?" And I thought, "Sure, my curfew is at 10:00 p.m., why not?" And then he dropped me off at home and he went dancing. But I was like an introvert. Like I I went inside. Like I was very like

Amy: Oh, it didn't have a good effect on you.

Whitney: It didn't. No. It wasn't like a fun fun Whitney.

Amy: Aw.

Whitney: It was quiet Whitney and then quiet Whitney got taken home.

Amy: Aw.

Whitney: Cuz I had a 10:00 p.m. curfew. Why was I trying to do coke at 9:00 p.m. when I had to be home at 10:00?

Amy: Was this a school night?

Whitney: No, it was

Amy: You had to be home at 10:00?

Whitney: I was the firstborn.

Amy: 10:00?

Whitney: Yes.

Amy: 10:00's really early.

Whitney: Okay, well, I think I was a soft I was a junior in high school. I wasn't I wasn't a senior.

Amy: Oh, okay. Well

Whitney: I don't know. Anyway.

Amy: I have sort of a metallic taste in my mouth right now.

Whitney: The roof of my mouth feels weird because it's going down my throat, I think. Metallic. I'm a little sniffly. We're a little sniffly. I'm sorry. But I don't feel any mentally clearer, but maybe in like 10 minutes.

Amy: I hope so. I have a mid moment to share.

Whitney: Okay, tell me.

Amy: So since I've been back on fully on my hormones I have been having insanely vivid dreams. And I thought I wonder if that's like a side effect. So I looked it up. Turns out, it is. It is absolute There's tons of people talking about it like on Reddit and stuff.

Whitney: Which hormone is doing that?

Amy: I think it's mainly the progesterone, but it says progesterone can aid deeper sleep and you can have more intense REM cycles and increased dream recall, but I mean mine are like vivid.

Whitney: Like give me an example.

Amy: Like the other night I dreamed this was maybe two nights ago, I dreamed that two of my friends a couple were murdered and there was like they were stabbed, it was intense, there was blood everywhere. I was crying a lot.

Whitney: Oh, my gosh. That's horrible.

Amy: Yeah. They're not always horrible, but they're just extremely vivid. Like I've never had a time in my life where I've had this vivid of dreams.

Whitney: I don't I would not want a murder vivid murder dream. That's horrible.

Amy: I know. It was It was tough. I woke up like really disturbed. So estrogen can also alter your REM sleep leading to more vivid dreams and more vivid nightmares apparently, and in menopause itself like just the fluctuations in hormones can affect your vivid dreaming and, but progesterone progesterone is one of the main culprits apparently and it can modify dream content. So anyway.

Whitney: This is very interesting, because my mom, so, you know, talking about we've been talking about hormone replacement therapy and if you should stop it or how long you can continue it. I got my mom on hormone replacement therapy a year and a half ago at 78.

Amy: I remember. Yeah.

Whitney: And and she I didn't even put this together, but she talks a lot about how she has very vivid dreams, but they're disturbing dreams. She's always It's always anxious like she's being chased or someone's chasing her, and how can that How can they say progesterone is going to help you with deeper sleep and then you have disturbing dreams that keep you awake? I don't

Amy: Well, they're not Are they keeping her awake?

Whitney: I don't know, she says she feels anxious. Like all of the dreams are like anxiety-ridden.

Amy: I'm sorry, I hate this drip in my throat right now.

Whitney: Dude, I can barely Do we have to stop recording? I just I've I've been drinking my water.

Amy: Ow, it kind of hurts the back of my throat. It feels like

Whitney: Yeah, it feels like a sore throat.

Amy: yuck. Yeah, just like a weird I don't like it. Huh. God dang it, why does everything have to feel bad? Anyway, that's interesting about your mom. It does say like it improves your REM sleep, so maybe she is asleep, but she's feeling anxious in her dreams, right?

Whitney: Yeah, but how does that impact your body? Like your When you're dreaming, you

Amy: I'm sure it's not great. I'm sure it's not great. You probably have more cortisol or something.

Whitney: You feel like it's really happening.

Amy: Yes. Dammit! Dammit.

Whitney: Interesting. Okay, well, on another same note, but now about me, I don't have vivid dreams, and I'm and I'm taking 300 mg of progesterone.

Amy: Okay. Maybe I need more. Maybe it's too low. Maybe

Whitney: My mom's taken 300 and she's getting the vivid dreams.

Amy: Maybe she needs more. Well why would you and her be the same?

Whitney: Well, dude, 300 is a lot. How much are you taking? 100?

Amy: 100.

Whitney: Yeah. 300 is a lot.

Amy: Hmm.

Whitney: But when we went to that functional health doctor he was like, yeah, he put us all on the same stuff. I'm like feel like

Amy: He did! Yes, that's super weird, right?

Whitney: This is a recipe. Yeah, you're going to put a 53-year-old and a 78-year-old on the same cocktail?

Amy: Does not compute.

Whitney: Mhm-mm. Mhm-mm. Anyway. Well, That's very interesting. Well, my mid moment is I'm going to call it a mid moment because it's a positive mid moment because it's something that I wouldn't have done except for now that I'm in midlife I do crazy things like this. Last night, so my son is on a study abroad program in Spain, he's got one week left and I bought a ticket to go see him this week.

Amy: You did it?

Whitney: So I just bought a ticket last night. I'm leaving on Wednesday, coming back on Monday.

Amy: No way! Wow. Oh.

Whitney: So for those of you who haven't been following along on my Spain trauma, my son was in a study abroad program, we had plans to go see him over spring break, flights got canceled, another flight got canceled and the whole trip was ruined and we had to bail. He's only got one week left there and his roommate's mom and stepdad are over there right now having a great time, and I was so jealous. And I was sitting was talking to my friend last night on the phone and I'm like, "I'm just so sad. Like I really wanted to be in Spain while Hayden was there

Amy: Aw.

Whitney: to see it through his eyes." And she goes, "Well, why don't you go?"

Amy: Just go. Yeah.

Whitney: And I was like, "Huh.

Amy: I mean.

Whitney: I I kind of can."

Amy: Did you get credit for all those flights too? I mean

Whitney: Well, I got reimbursed. Yeah. And the flights were the same as they were when I you know, they were $2,100, but

Amy: Oh, good. Good. Really?

Whitney: it is jam-packed.

Amy: Are you in premium economy?

Whitney: No, just in economy.

Amy: Just in economy? Oof.

Whitney: So that stinks.

Amy: Yeah. Oh, well. You'll survive.

Whitney: But you know what? It's going to be fine.

Amy: You're small.

Whitney: Yeah, it's going to be fine. So I'm excited. I called him this morning and I said, "I'm coming to see you," and he was like, "What?" Cuz he's literally leaving in a week.

Amy: Ah!

Whitney: But I'm excited and I'm going to call it a mid moment because I didn't ask permission, I didn't have to, you know, I'm not taking care of a bunch of little

Amy: Yay! Yes.

Whitney: kids, so I had the freedom, and I do what I want.

Amy: Good for you! It's true. It's true. Way Way

Whitney: So I'm going. Yeah.

Amy: Way to exercise your freedom at this phase in life. I love it.

Whitney: That's right. That's right. Shout out to Holly Sudduth for saying, "Why don't you just go?"

Amy: Hell yeah!

Whitney: "Oh. I didn't think I could do that."

Amy: And guess what, you can.

Whitney: I can. So I'm excited. I mean, I'm a little anxious cuz you know, I like to plan, and this is no plan.

Amy: This is good for you. This is good for you. You're exercising your spontaneity muscle.

Whitney: Yes. Yes. I'm I'm working on that not mid life.

Amy: Yeah. Anything but mid. Anything but!

Whitney: Anything but mid. Yeah. All right, so we're going to keep talking in line with this HRT stuff because I am always looking for longevity, you know, new new trends, what's happening next, how can we get more of what we need and what's going to help us stop aging so quickly, and I came across something that I thought was interesting and so I wanted to share it. It's about our ovaries.

Amy: Oh, boy.

Whitney: You don't like ovaries?

Amy: No, I love my ovaries. Love you, guys.

Whitney: Girls.

Amy: Ladies.

Whitney: Maybe one of each.

Amy: Maybe.

Whitney: All right, so here is something that's so interesting. The ovaries age two and a half times faster than anything else in your body, and it literally happens overnight. While the rest of your organs are in the prime of their lives at 45, your ovaries have decided to shut down.

Amy: They're like, "We're out. Peace, y'all."

Whitney: There's like It's the only organ system that takes on this like is just like, "Yeah, I'm early retirement. I'm out of here." And why? It makes no sense, and because we're women nobody questions it. If it was your heart or your liver or your brain, people would be like, "What the fuck?" But it's it's women parts, so they don't care. Well, now they do, because us women are speaking up. Longevity is on the table. Ovaries aren't just about baby making, you know? It's not just about the eggs. They literally are the control center for all of the hormones, and when it stops working, everything else starts shutting down, and that's why it's important to learn more about your ovaries.

Amy: And do do we have any control over them not shutting down?

Whitney: Well, here is what I found.

Amy: Keep on chugging. Can we talk to 'em?

Whitney: Yeah, you can talk You can Hello, Amy's ovaries.

Amy: That's I'm just picturing like a little train engine.

Whitney: But no, to stop you right there, once you've hit menopause, there's no more preventative. It's all about maintaining what you've got and that's when hormone replacement therapy comes in, because that's that's what's giving you the energy.

Amy: I guess that's why they say I guess that's why they say you want to have a period as long as you can, cuz that means your Is that what they say? Yes, they do. They say that. Mhm.

Whitney: Yeah. Well, here we're here's the the truth. Science is finally starting to pay attention to women and women's bodies, and they're realizing that ovarian longevity is in direct correlation to your health. The ovaries are for women like the operating system for the rest of our body and is sending out the power through our hormones to our brain and our, you know, kidneys and our liver and our hearts and all of those things, bones. So when the ovaries start to retire, everything else starts thinking, "Oh, maybe I should retire, too."

Amy: Holy shit. So it's basically like you have a period and everything's going to be working fine, and then you're happy that your period stops and then everything stops.

Whitney: Yeah, basically you've once your period stops, the the ovaries shut down, then you're losing power. That's That's what's happening to us. We're losing our source of our power.

Amy: This is bullshit.

Whitney: And so that's why hormone replacement therapy is important, because that's bringing the electricity back into our bodies that we need. So it's like if you think of the ovaries as like the power plant,

Amy: Right. Right.

Whitney: we're going to try to keep it running as long as possible. If you haven't hit menopause, then there are some options that I'm going to talk about. If you have hit menopause, then it's hormone replacement therapy. So don't come at me and tell me that we need to start shutting down the hormone replacement therapy,

Amy: Mhm-mm.

Whitney: cuz that's just telling me that I don't deserve to have energy and power anymore.

Amy: Can our bodies it actually make these hormones at all?

Whitney: Yeah, that's what's happening before menopause.

Amy: Well, but

Whitney: Ovaries are creating the estrogen and the progesterone.

Amy: So if our ovaries shut down, though, it's like it's SOL. It's like there's no other way.

Whitney: You're not producing it. Yeah. I don't know, because if you get tested like I

Amy: I'm just pointing at all sorts of parts of my body. Can my knees do it? Come on! Liver do it.

Whitney: If you I know just from the blood work that I've got before I had hormone replacement therapy, it was very low, but it wasn't zero. So maybe we retain some of it.

Amy: Well, it fluctuates too. Remember my menopause episode where I was saying you're still having some kind of cycle.

Whitney: There's some, yeah, it's maybe it's not completely shut down. It's just you start to buffer. It's like there's not enough, yeah. You're just It's that wheel just turning and turning.

Amy: Yes, buffering. The spiral of death, I call it. Yes.

Whitney: So why are the ovaries trying to retire early?

Amy: Why?

Whitney: All right, I'm so glad you asked, and I know you love research, so I'm going to say research at the Buck Institute and Northwestern University have identified the primary cause. It's fibrosis.

Amy: Okay. Oh, the

Whitney: It's scarring of the ovaries. Well, why are we getting scarred ovaries? Because This doesn't make sense to me, Lord. Dear Lord, I don't know why we were created like this, but every time an egg goes out through the ovaries, it creates a tiny physical wound that has to heal. So over 30 30 to 40 years, this repetition of creating these little wounds creates microscopic scarring, which is fibrosis.

Amy: Oh, for fuck's sake! This is a design flaw.

Whitney: So fibrosis is connected to the universal hallmark of the aging ovary. So as long as you can catch it before you are hitting probably even perimenopause

Amy: Catch what?

Whitney: Catch the the for preventative fibrosis, so like you can catch it before the fibrosis is starting to shut things down.

Amy: Catch what, though? Catch that.

Whitney: Catch the You stop

Amy: Catch it how?

Whitney: You stop it. You How? Well, I'm about to tell you.

Amy: Like, you Oh.

Whitney: So yeah, well let me keep talking about fibrosis for a minute. It's the there's tissue inside the ovary. It becomes stiffer and more inflamed over time because of the wear and tear of the eggs being released, and it's like trying to grow a garden in bad soil. I talked about bad soil before. The stiffness becomes so severe that it sends a signal to the follicles to stop working. It's not that we run out of eggs. Our ovaries could still be working whether or not we had eggs or not, it's because of the scarring

Amy: Huh.

Whitney: that starts to shut it down.

Amy: Oh, my gosh.

Whitney: Wow. Has nothing to do with the egg. Well, I'm sure it has a little bit to do with the eggs, but it's the scarring that is triggering the shutdown that we call menopause. Isn't that so crazy?

Amy: Yes.

Whitney: And I had I wondered I'm like has this always been the case, because, you know, in biblical times there were a couple of women who had babies very old, but no.

Amy: I'm sure that's completely

Whitney: My good friend Gemini said that except for those famous miracle accounts, this has always been the way a woman's body has been. Around 40 is kind of the age where they stop being able to have any babies. And the difference is that we live a lot longer now than those people,

Amy: Oh, yeah.

Whitney: and so we noticed those changes, those hormonal changes. So what can we do? For those of you who are not in menopause, there are several things that they are looking at to try to stop this fibrosis from happening. Anti-fibrotic research. Metformin. You've talked about metformin.

Amy: Metformin?

Whitney: Yeah. Metformin.

Amy: Are you kidding?

Whitney: That's one of the things they're saying. It can clear out scar tissue and keep the ovary soft and functional for another decade.

Amy: What?

Whitney: Isn't that crazy?

Amy: That is fascinating. Okay.

Whitney: Metformin.

Amy: Okay. And you thought that was really random episode, which it kind of was. It was.

Whitney: I did. It was random, but nothing is random.

Amy: Nothing is random. Nothing is.

Whitney: Okay. Everything is related. Metformin is one of the studies that they're working on because they really feel like it can For another 10 years, that's crazy. You wouldn't have to deal with all of this shit for another 10 years. Anyway, the other thing that people are doing is called platelet-rich plasma, which seems to be popular, PRP for a lot of different things. You use your patient's own growth factors to reboot the stiffened tissue.

Amy: PRP. What do you do, inject it in there?

Whitney: Uh-huh.

Amy: Ooh.

Whitney: Yeah. And then there's tissue backup, which some people with cancer will do this, just like egg retrieval. They'll get a a strip of their ovarian tissue and freeze it for later, and then they replug it in to restore the natural hormones.

Amy: Wow, cool.

Whitney: And then the last one is NAD+.

Amy: Stop.

Whitney: Providing cellular espresso to the mitochondria to help ovarian cells resist the inflammation that leads to scarring.

Amy: But you have to do that before you hit menopause?

Whitney: Yeah, the this is all yeah, this is all ways that you can stop it from happening. The only way The only way that really the only maintenance that we have once you hit menopause is hormone replacement therapy.

Amy: Okay. Okay.

Whitney: That's That's the workaround for people like us

Amy: But that does that

Whitney: cuz the ovaries have already shut down, so now it's just providing the the things that we need, exactly. Whereas these

Amy: what you're not getting from the ovaries. It's not going to save the ovaries.

Whitney: Correct. The ovaries are retired. They have set sail on their

Amy: all the way.

Whitney: Yeah. By menopause, that's the case. Yes, it doesn't stop It It can't It can't It can't regenerate your ovaries.

Amy: Okay. Okay.

Whitney: But I'm sure that's on its way at some point. But isn't it interesting that nobody questioned this ever? Just like, "Oh, yeah, well, I ran out of eggs, so my body's just going to start shutting down." But but I mean, it's just I It's just crazy to me that nobody thinks about that. Anyway, let's see. So yeah, basically the ovaries

Amy: Just don't care.

Whitney: they're they're scarred up. Once you've got hit menopause, there's nothing we can do except for hormone replacement therapy, but if you haven't hit menopause, you there's there's they're working this out now, but NAD+ you can get, everyone can get that.

Amy: Nice.

Whitney: Obviously, the tissue thing, you need a doctor's approval, and I don't know if anyone can do that.

Amy: That's tough. That's tough.

Whitney: Yeah, and I don't know about the the PRP. You can probably

Amy: I don't know.

Whitney: get that at like Well-Spring or something, I don't know. This isn't just about staying young. It's literally about maintenance for your whole body, so this isn't just about, "Oh, I just want to be young and have a baby if I want at 55." Mhm. This is about keeping your body in top form.

Amy: Yeah. Yeah.

Whitney: That's what's happening to me right now. I can't speak properly. I lose my words. I'm tired, and it's all because my ovaries retired.

Amy: You think so?

Whitney: I think so. It's hormone based.

Amy: It's hormone based, yep.

Whitney: Yeah. So the takeaway is you don't need to be a biohacker to start. You can, for those of you who aren't in menopause, you can start monitoring your AMH levels, which is like your gas gauge, and understanding that your hormonal health is just as vital as your blood pressure, which is crazy because no one ever wants to check my hormones. The only reason my hormones have been checked is because I either insist on it at the gynecologist, or I'm paying for it out of pocket somewhere else.

Amy: Yeah, I'm paying for it. I pay for it.

Whitney: Yeah, nobody is taking it seriously. Let me see if there's anything

Amy: I think we're having a like

Whitney: A moment.

Amy: a moment of of understanding that it's important, though. I think it's it's moving that direction.

Whitney: Finally.

Amy: Yeah, finally.

Whitney: So maybe our our daughters will will be in a different situation than we are right now.

Amy: I hope so. I hope so, yeah. Yeah.

Whitney: But anyway, I just thought it was interesting and wanted to share. Don't ignore your ovaries. It's not just about egg producing and babies.

Amy: Super fascinating.

Whitney: This is your power center.

Amy: Okay. Well, I'm glad we talked about it. Jeez Louise.

Whitney: I know. How's that NAD+ feeling? I got nothing.

Amy: I feel awake and good and alert. I do.

Whitney: I guess I do feel that as well, but I also feel scratchy.

Amy: It's It's better, but I only did half of what you did, and I'm glad. So I can still feel something in the back of my throat, but it's much much better.

Whitney: Yeah. You know what I'm going to I'm going to test it out when I'm tired.

Amy: People

Whitney: You know, like when I'm like I need a cup of coffee or something, I'm just going to do this and see if it makes a difference. But one thing I am noticing is I'm not flushing.

Amy: Oh, good idea. Yeah.

Whitney: No.

Amy: Not getting all red. Mhm, I'm not red, am I? No. How much did that cost?

Whitney: Oh, man. Probably like less than $100.

Amy: Whoa!

Whitney: But I don't know. Is that

Amy: Could be like I was expecting like $35.

Whitney: Oh, no, it's more than $35. It's probably like

Amy: Like $75?

Whitney: Probably. I'm going to look it up right now, and I will tell you.

Amy: Okay. What did it cost?

Whitney: Yeah, I mean, none of this stuff is cheap, guys. None of it. Here it is, let's see.

Amy: Okay. Bought it on the Shop app? She's looking it up on the Shop app.

Whitney: Oh, no. That's That's something else on the Shop app. This is something that I just bought. It's the PDRN, you know, but in a serum and I'm just putting it on my face.

Amy: What brand?

Whitney: Rejuran. Rejuran. It's Korean.

Amy: Okay. Cool.

Whitney: It's Korean. Anyway, I don't know. I don't want to waste time. I can't find it, but

Amy: Okay, no worries. No worries.

Whitney: it's less than $100, but it ain't $35. It's probably like

Amy: Okay. I'll look it up. I'll put it in the show notes. I'll put a link, cuz I want to know, so.

Whitney: Here we go. Here we go, I found it.

Amy: Oh, she found it.

Whitney: View your order.

Amy: Oh, Lord. By Science. You've got to click again.

Whitney: Shopify.

Amy: Somebody just had a brand and they just named it Science?

Whitney: $72.

Amy: $72, that was close.

Whitney: That probably included some shipping, cuz I wanted it sooner than they were going to give it.

Amy: Oh. It's maybe like $60.

Whitney: So there you go.

Amy: Good. Okay, well, I'm going to look it up. I feel pretty good. I don't know.

Whitney: I'm not tired.

Amy: No, me either. I feel pretty awake.

Whitney: And I did feel like I talked a lot.

Amy: Yeah, you did great. Good job! Way to go.

Whitney: Thank you.

Amy: Yes. But remember, we're not doctors,

Whitney: That's right.

Amy: and ultimately it's up to you. Whatever, take it, leave it, all of it.

Whitney: But don't ignore your ovaries.

Amy: I'm going to have a chit chat with mine on the on the right.

Whitney: Ours are mine's already setting sail on a sunset cruise.

Amy: Well, with that attitude!

Whitney: Well, I'm imagining them on vacation.

Amy: Maybe Maybe then you imagine them refreshed.

Whitney: That's true. Look, they're I have to believe that our bodies can regenerate a lot more than we think they can.

Amy: I do too. I do too, yep. And, I mean, yeah, that's what that one guest was saying, you know? It's about cellular

Whitney: The one guest that said we need to get to the root of the problem? Okay, well, I don't like her.

Amy: regress. Yeah. She was awesome, actually.

Whitney: The root of the problem is age.

Amy: But she was another one of these people that's like uh like older than me and just like super vibrant and I get fooled. It's like the algae and I get fooled into thinking like

Whitney: Oh. Yeah. This is really the fountain of youth.

Amy: then I should let go of all my supplements, and then that's bad. That didn't work for me, so I feel good on my stuff, so

Whitney: Yes, good.

Amy: anyway, so I proceed. Anyway, you do you, of course. Yeah, please hit us up if you have thoughts. We want to know. You can comment on anything. You can DM us at Anything But Mid on Instagram. You can email us at anythingbutmidpodcast@gmail. You can

Whitney: Do what you want.

Amy: do what you want, ultimately. Of course, do what you want. Share it with a friend, though. We're so happy you're here, so or don't.

Whitney: Yes. Yes. No, please do.

Amy: Please do!

Whitney: All right, and on that note, we will see you next time!

Amy: Next time!

Whitney: Bye!

Amy: Bye!

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