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Anything But Mid is hosted by Amy Edwards and Whitney Stropp. Neither host is a doctor and nothing here is medical advice. Lightly cleaned for readability.

Whitney: I'm Whitney.

Amy: And I'm Amy and it may be midlife.

Whitney: But you're anything but mid. Amy.

Amy: What's up?

Whitney: What's up? What's up? What is up?

Amy: What is up?

Whitney: What? What? I remember being stoned one time and being like, what is up? What is it? What?

Amy: Because up could literally be down if you're above up.

Whitney: Oh man. Oh man. This past weekend, I had friends spend the night with me because their daughter was turning 21 and they wanted to give her the house for her friends and her to have and they're like, we got to get out of here.

Amy: Oh. Okay. Okay.

Whitney: And I was like, I have all these bedrooms. Why don't you come and we'll have a slumber party? So Ryan came and spent the night, and they came and spent the night, and oh man, now I'm thinking I might not should share this. Oh, shit. Okay. Some friends came over and they brought it's legal, I guess, cuz he bought it at like a store, but these mushrooms that are like gummy mushrooms.

Amy: The Road Trip ones?

Whitney: Yeah, I think so.

Amy: You had the Road Trip ones? They're really good.

Whitney: Are they they're legal.

Amy: Oh, yeah, yeah. They're legal.

Whitney: Yeah, which I think is so weird.

Amy: I love I like the Road Trip ones, and granted I'm sober, but which I just hit four years, by the way.

Whitney: Oh, wow. Really?

Amy: But I'll take those sometimes like as a microdose and just like I noticed that my emotions aren't riding quite so high, or like it It makes me feel better.

Whitney: Yeah, when when he brought them over, I was like, I don't know, like what And he said if you it's like one to two just a little smirk on your face and then he goes, but four to six, you're the Joker. And I was like, Oh, I don't want to see the Joker or be the Joker.

Amy: I mean, I watched before I did it, I watched a YouTube video, and there's a guy that tries all sorts of things and and records it. He ate a whole bag, and It's not it

Whitney: All at once? It only lasts for like an hour and a half.

Amy: Yeah, it does and it's not like taking mushroom mushrooms. It's not You're not doing definitely not like ayahuasca, but I mean, having done actual mushrooms like, it's not the same. So you're fine. You're totally fine.

Whitney: Yeah, I don't understand how how it's legal and mushrooms aren't. And he was like, well, they're taking the stuff out of the mushrooms and putting it in the gummies and I'm like, yeah, the illegal part.

Amy: It's not psilocybin. It's something different. So I think it I think I think that's right. So it's not full psilocybin. It's not the same as like when you're doing like the white cap, you know, high Priest or whatever it's called.

Whitney: Yeah, that was the other thing I was going to look into is like what mushrooms are cuz it's not all mushrooms. So what are the mushrooms that are the magic ones? Do you know?

Amy: They're grown in shit, aren't they? So

Whitney: I think all mushrooms are grown in shit.

Amy: Oh, maybe. Maybe.

Whitney: Except for the ones in my front yard.

Amy: Well, so, not all. So, yeah. I mean, they're specifically, I mean, I know in the '90s when my friends would go find them, they were grown in cow pastures, and that that was a specific ones that they were looking for

Whitney: Oh, in in Texas?

Amy: that we would use to trip. Yeah.

Whitney: They would go in a field and literally find a mushroom?

Amy: Your friends didn't do that in college?

Whitney: No.

Amy: What?

Whitney: We were doing industry what what are the industry drugs? We were doing X.

Amy: MD We were doing X. Yeah. Yeah. Well, we were doing that too.

Whitney: No, I didn't even I No. The the answer's no.

Amy: That was the first time I took them and I thought they were like exotic where you had to go some into some African jungle or something. No.

Whitney: They're just in the cow pasture, so the cows could be eating them and getting high.

Amy: Yes. They sure could be.

Whitney: Those cows were so high.

Amy: You know, what else do they have going on? Go get high, cows.

Whitney: That's why they're just content to sit around and chew their cud.

Amy: What about your milk? Do you know, have you ever heard this? They say that peyote is grown in a place where the Edwards Aquifer gets the recharge. So like there's runoff from wherever payo- peyote is and that's why Austin is weird. They say that because it's it's like got peyote in our water supply here

Whitney: Where is this peyote? Is it just

Amy: because The peyote's far away. No, it's far away like like

Whitney: But who's growing it? Just Mother Nature?

Amy: Yeah, I don't know if it's in Mexico or I don't know if it's in New Mexico, but or West Texas, but like it's somewhere where peyote grows. And and the runoff from the water that goes back into the water system comes through the Edwards Aquifer and that they say that it's it's literally in the water in Austin. And that's why it's such a great place and they're keeping it weird. And that's why we have a bunch of hippies here and stuff. They say that. Isn't that weird?

Whitney: That's so funny. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. I kind of believe it.

Amy: Me Well, apparently, it's like a proven thing that there is this possibility that like yeah.

Whitney: Yeah. Crazy.

Amy: That we're like all Getting a little A little microdose.

Whitney: All right. Well, do you have a mid moment?

Amy: Let me see. Do I have a mid moment? I think my estrogen is causing me a little bit of weight gain around my waist.

Whitney: Oh, really?

Amy: Yeah, so that is just an unfortunate side effect. But I I'm going to do a three-part series, I might have told you this, on estrogen, progesterone, and testosterone. So I mean, those are bigger topics. I I might even have to do two-parters on some of them, I don't know. But that is on my radar. I I just feel like it it just requires a lot of research, so I'm kind of like, "Ah, do I want to do this?" But I want to do it.

Whitney: Sucks. Yeah. Okay. Yeah.

Amy: And I know that it can cause that, but, honestly, I feel a lot better. I've my progesterone I'm having trouble renewing right now because places are out of it, which is super annoying, so I got to get on that because this morning literally I woke up with sweats again, and I was like, "Oh, no, we're not doing this again."

Whitney: I know. But, honestly, the progesterone, from what I understand, is only helping, well, your sleep and your uterus lining.

Amy: Oh, interesting.

Whitney: It's not Estrogen is the big one.

Amy: Estrogen is the big one.

Whitney: And progesterone is just to keep because estrogen will keep your uterus your your lining heavy and then that's why you bleed, but if you take progesterone, it keeps it thin, so you're not bleeding.

Amy: Yeah. Yeah. Oh. Well, I'm not bleeding. I I think I'm in menopause. I mean, it's been like 6 months now. So

Whitney: Yeah. But if you start taking estrogen and you're not taking progesterone, you will bleed again. You will bleed again.

Amy: Fuck me. Okay. Fuck. I got to get that. I think I get to pick it up today, I hope. I'm trying to find a pharmacy that has it.

Whitney: There might not be an egg in there. That's crazy. Well, if you need some, I have some that you can borrow until you

Amy: Oh, shit. Okay, great. Thank you. Okay. So yeah, so that's been But also, I have been eating like shit and eating chips all the time and not working out, so Who knows what it is.

Whitney: Yeah. So it also could be life choices.

Amy: I've really got to get my shit together. I don't know. Bikini season is coming.

Whitney: I feel the same and and I have not been like I took a month off from working out cuz I thought I was going to be in Spain, so I like put a hold on my gym membership and then I didn't go to Spain, but I also didn't go to the gym. I was too depressed and yesterday I'm like, I have got to get this going again and I happened to see a video, a reel of somebody talking about Well, it was my friend that I just Alfred Brooks.

Amy: I just saw you go like I I literally saw it go out of your head. It was like You were rolling like super confident. Like, it's it's my

Whitney: My friend. Not my real friend. Yeah. Albert Brooks. Yeah. And it was my friend Albert Brooks.

Amy: And then it just

Whitney: And then it disappeared. Albert Brooks, although I'm not even sure his first name is Albert, I need to double check that.

Amy: Albert Brooks is an actor.

Whitney: See, I might be getting them confused. There's my mid moment. But he was talking about Shit, now the whole thing is disappearing. What were we talking about?

Amy: I don't know.

Whitney: Oh, my god.

Amy: Working out?

Whitney: Yeah, okay, and it was talking about how people that get things done don't care about their feelings. That's what he said. He was like, people who get things done don't care about their feelings because if you sit and you go, "Well, I don't feel like doing that," well, then you're not going to go do it. And so I told myself last night, "Okay, no more conversations about feelings and the gym. It is non-negotiable. I am getting up and I am going." And so that's what I did today. I didn't even let my mind start to talk to me about, "Well, you got a lot going on and we don't really feel like it," you know. I was just like, "Nope, putting on my pants."

Amy: Right. Right. I tell myself that. I'm like, I am a gym girlie. I'm a gym girlie. Like, I just get that on repeat and I'm like that a gym girlie just goes to the gym, so that's what I do. I just go.

Whitney: Going out the door. Yeah. It's non-negotiable. When you start thinking about

Amy: And yeah. It's non-negotiable. Just be you're a gym person.

Whitney: Yeah, if you start feeling about if you start thinking about, "Well, how do I feel?" then you're not going to do it.

Amy: You're not going to do anything. Like, quit quit being beholden to your moods all the time. Like, just go do the thing.

Whitney: And I thought that was interesting. Exactly. It doesn't matter how you feel. If you want to be strong and have longevity, get your ass to the gym.

Amy: I don't feel like doing anything a lot of times. I don't want to put on makeup. I don't feel like going to the gym. I don't feel like

Whitney: Especially with this weather. Yeah.

Amy: I mean, you name the thing, I don't feel like it.

Whitney: With the weather too, I'm always like, it's dark and rainy. I just want to sit on the couch.

Amy: Fuck, yeah. Sitting on the couch is so fun. It is depressing.

Whitney: But then that's so depressing. No. You got to move. All right.

Amy: You got to move. You're right. You're right.

Whitney: You got to move your body.

Amy: Okay, so today we're doing a

Whitney: Well, hold on. Okay. No, I have a couple things. I haven't told my midlife. Although we just saw one, but I have to share this because it's so sad. So I was packing up to go to the beach, Port A, and I had a container of cold items.

Amy: Excuse me.

Whitney: Bless you.

Amy: Thank you.

Whitney: Container of some cold items that I had kept in a refrigerator in the garage, and I pulled it out in front of the garage in my driveway so that I could put into my car and, you know, be there. At the same time, I'm like, all right, I'm going to be going on this long drive. I'm going to order some Starbucks to pick up on my way out, right?

Amy: Sure.

Whitney: So I'm putting the things in my car and I'm telling myself, "Don't forget the Starbucks. Don't forget the Starbucks. Don't forget the Starbucks." I go to the Starbucks. Don't forget the Starbucks. But hopefully, I remembered all my cold items were still sitting in my driveway. I was about to drive off to Port A with all of the refrigerated items sitting in my driveway because I was so intent on not forgetting the Starbucks that I forgot something else. I couldn't keep two things in my head.

Amy: Right in front of you. How'd you drive off with that? Do you back out too and so you were looking at it and you just didn't

Whitney: No, I think I had pulled my car up in the front because I was putting things in the trunk that were on my first floor and so then I was like I'll just drive back down and so I don't have to drag that whole thing up the stairs and I just I forgot. But there've been many times when I've ordered a Starbucks and I never go and pick it up.

Amy: Oh. Okay. Really?

Whitney: Because I forgot. I just drive past the Starbucks and go on my way and there's a there's a hot latte waiting for me.

Amy: Oh, my god. I love I wonder how much that happens.

Whitney: It's so annoying. It's so annoying and so this time I was like, don't forget the Starbucks. Don't forget the Starbucks, and I forgot all the fucking refrigerator food for our beach trip.

Amy: Do you know to Starbucks, I read once how much money they have in just gift cards that never get used cuz everyone forgets?

Whitney: Oh, I'm sure.

Amy: Literally billions.

Whitney: I think I actually have one of those somewhere.

Amy: Billions.

Whitney: I think that is so true for all gift cards.

Amy: Oh, I hate gift cards.

Whitney: That's why right now

Amy: First of all, it's a thoughtless gift. I hate gift cards. Like,

Whitney: What about cash? Cold, hard cash?

Amy: Uh-uh. I don't want cash and I don't want a gift card. What I want you to do is put some effort into it.

Whitney: As an adult, I agree, but kids they want cash.

Amy: Yeah, my kids love a gift card. They love it. They actually use them. They use them right away and I'm like, oh, that's great.

Whitney: That's good.

Amy: No, they do love it. I got them DoorDash for Easter.

Whitney: Oh, yeah.

Amy: I got them each a $50 DoorDash gift card. They loved that.

Whitney: Oh, yeah. Of course. Yeah, mine love DoorDash as well.

Amy: It's a great gift.

Whitney: All right. Before you get into your book report today, I thought it'd be fun to bring back our little segment, "Bio-Hack or Bio-Whack."

Amy: Yes. Yes. I love it.

Whitney: So you I'm going to read a a new trend in the biohacking world, and you are going to have to decide if it's real, if it is a true biohack, or if it is false and a bio-whack.

Amy: Okay. Okay. This is so hard.

Whitney: Okay, so some of them are true and some of them are not. All right. Here's the first one. This is called the hormone-hacking smart mirror. All right. It's a bathroom mirror equipped with AI and spectral sensors that scans your face every morning to detect tiny changes in skin pigment and temperature, predicting your daily estrogen and progesterone levels so that you can plan your mood. Is it a hack or a whack?

Amy: Whack.

Whitney: It's hack, dude.

Amy: Fuck.

Whitney: In 20-

Amy: No way. That's real?

Whitney: Yes, and as if we don't have enough going on in the magnifying mirror. Yes. In 2026, companies are launching hormone-tracking mirrors, so instead of seeing a zit, your mirror is going to tell you, "Good morning, Brenda. You're going to have a fight with your husband later."

Amy: This is This is

Whitney: It doesn't really talk.

Amy: mirror, mirror on the wall.

Whitney: I know. Well, I don't think they actually talk. I don't know.

Amy: We're just a step away. I'm sure it's going to come with a speaker before too long.

Whitney: It's that crazy? Yeah. This health tech company called Nuralo- NuraLogix is leading the charge. They debuted the Longevity Mirror in 2026 at a conference, and it's something called Transdermal Optical Imaging, and it's a high-tech facial scan that looks at blood flow patterns under your skin.

Amy: Wow. Is it filming you and going to like Do you have to sign sign your life away on the user agreement, I wonder?

Whitney: Probably. Probably. I don't know. It's launching now, so expected to retail for about $899.

Amy: Fucking motherfucking user agreements. Wow.

Whitney: Crazy.

Amy: Wow. I have a smart mirror and it's broken right now and I've been in the market

Whitney: What does a smart mirror do?

Amy: It's by simplehuman or whatever, and it's like It's just got different settings and controls and stuff. I bought it years ago. I wanted it and then I found one that was chipped a little bit at Container Store, so I got it at a discount. And now it's broken, but so I was like in the market for a new smart mirror. Not much. It just connected to an app because this was years ago. This was like 7 years ago, but

Whitney: But what would it do for you? Well, this could be your new one. Oh, yeah. I mean, this is the way we are going, though. You're going to step into your bathroom and look at the mirror and it's going to literally scan you from head to toe and tell you

Amy: That's like a sci-fi movie.

Whitney: Yeah, that's crazy. But think of all the information we'll have about ourselves.

Amy: I guess if it's accurate. And the govern- well, that everybody's got and then they're going to market it to you because, at the end of the day, that's what it's all about. It's not about your health. It's about what can we sell you?

Whitney: And the government. Yes. What's that? I know. Don't even get me started.

Amy: Motherfuckers, go off for a while.

Whitney: All right, round two. The next one is

Amy: Okay. Okay. How many are there?

Whitney: There's four.

Amy: Okay, cool.

Whitney: Circadian anchoring via the belly button. You're going to take a small blue light emitting LED patch over your navel, usually around 2:00 p.m., to reset your liver's internal clock and stop midlife weight gain. Whack or hack?

Amy: These all sound like whack. Let's see. I'm going to go with hack.

Whitney: It's a whack.

Amy: Okay, good. Okay, good.

Whitney: No, I mean, there is the circadian rhythm and stuff, and you know, getting sunlight and all of that, but no, there's nothing you stick in your belly button yet to get rid of your to optimize your liver.

Amy: I mean, I have a red light vibrator thing, so

Whitney: All right. Here's the next one. I know, which you still have. I know. Well, you need Yeah, you need to talk about it. All right, the next one: somatic screaming circles, a wellness ritual where women in midlife gather in soundproof vibe cellars to scream at specific frequencies to release cortisol and tonify the vagus nerve. Hack or whack?

Amy: Hack.

Whitney: It is a hack. You you'd probably already knew that.

Amy: I didn't know you screamed at certain frequencies, but I like the sound of it and sound definitely heals you, so

Whitney: Yeah, it's sound. Wow. But can you imagine being in there? Like, I You basically just a bunch of exhausted moms and you pay $75 to do what you can do in your car for free.

Amy: Well, yeah, but you're not going to go the know the right frequency. This is like going to do it at a specific frequen- I'm That sound's pretty cool.

Whitney: Well, that's true. Yeah. So they're called So they're scream clubs, okay? It started in Chicago in 2025 and now it's in 17 plus cities. There is one here in Austin. There's several here in Austin, actually. But the ritual is this, the participants write down what they want to let go of on biodegradable paper

Amy: Of course.

Whitney: and they do vocal warmups. Yes, for yelling cuz you don't want to hurt your Okay. And let's see. And then you meet up in a public place. They yell a lot of times into a body of water, which I don't like

Amy: Right. Water is absorbing, though.

Whitney: because we know Yes, that's absorbing all of that negative energy, but you got to let it go somewhere, body of water or a field.

Amy: I like off the side of a mountain.

Whitney: Harvard Medical School notes that while primal scream therapy isn't a proven cure for mental illness, the act of screaming does engage the amygdala and hippocampus, which is the emotional basement of your brain, so there is some scientific research.

Amy: I haven't done it in a while.

Whitney: Scream?

Amy: Yeah, I need to go somewhere and scream.

Whitney: Well, they have those rage rooms where you can break shit.

Amy: I don't want to do that.

Whitney: I don't know if you would scream there. Yeah, it triggers a temporary spike in your symp- sympathetic nervous system.

Amy: Do you When I was growing up, we would have like a school carnival. Now this was in Harker Heights, Texas, and they would just get an old car and you could just go bash the old car. Do you remember that?

Whitney: They do that at they do that I don't know if they still do it, but the first day of school, they have like a pancake breakfast at Austin High and they have a car that you can bash.

Amy: What? Really? Oh, I figured that was just something out of the '70s. Oh, my gosh, I love that it's living on.

Whitney: Yeah, it's still going. Still going.

Amy: Some Gen X parent was like, "You know what we're going to do? We're going to smash a car."

Whitney: We're going to smash a car. Yeah.

Amy: "Let's get a Let's get a car to smash." Yeah.

Whitney: That sounds kind of healing. All right, last one. Testicular cooling briefs, high-tech underwear for men with a built-in cooling reservoir to lower the temperature of the testes by exactly 2° to overclock testosterone production. Hack or whack?

Amy: Hack.

Whitney: It is a hack. Do you You acted like Justin has a pair.

Amy: No, he doesn't, but when you said like something about testosterone, I was like, I bet this is a thing.

Whitney: Yeah, men are literally icing their nuts. We're getting blood injections and they're going around with port-a-cool fridges in their portable fridges in their pants. Companies like Snowballs and Cool Beans

Amy: Stop. Stop. Not Cool Beans. No, stop. Stop.

Whitney: are the big players. Yeah. In 2026, the Cool Beans actually has their underwear registered as a class one medical device. The scientists

Amy: I mean, do you have to recharge them?

Whitney: You probably put Oh, I'm going to tell you. All right, it's a biological fact that sperm and testosterone production are highly heat sensitive. In 2026, optimization bros are terrified that sitting at a desk for 8 hours is cooking their potential.

Amy: That's hilarious.

Whitney: So you freeze these little gel wedges called snow wedges and slide them into a secret pocket in your boxers.

Amy: Oh, okay. Oh.

Whitney: And you're supposed to wear them for about 2 hours a day.

Amy: God, that sounds uncomfortable. I would hate that.

Whitney: It does. Icing those balls.

Amy: No. Okay.

Whitney: So there you go. Good job.

Amy: Man, I tell you what. Like having all that stuff swinging around between your legs just I I do not want that.

Whitney: Well, they don't like it swinging around for the most part. Most people have them cupped in some underwear.

Amy: Really? Well, I guess so. Yeah.

Whitney: Boxers are different cuz that's free-balling.

Amy: My husband wears like boxer briefs.

Whitney: Boxer briefs. Yeah.

Amy: And he's he he likes those, but just like having that would be just I'm constantly like, "That's so weird."

Whitney: Yeah. I mean, it's so

Amy: It seems like it's a design flaw, frankly, with balls. Like, they're so sensitive.

Whitney: You should talk to God about that.

Amy: And well, I I am right now. Like, what the hell were you thinking? Like, you know? Like, that's

Whitney: Yeah, they are. I know. I know.

Amy: It seems like a real design flaw.

Whitney: It I agree. I I agree.

Amy: Like, they should be inside.

Whitney: They can they get hurt so easily.

Amy: Oh, yeah. They're super sensitive, sensitive to heat, like like, who planned that?

Whitney: Right. Well, that's why it always bothered me like that, you know, get a pair of balls and do like like be tough.

Amy: No. It should be get get a vagina.

Whitney: It should be get get a vagina. The vagina is what's tough. Takes a pounding.

Amy: Keeps on going.

Whitney: Births a baby. You know, I mean, that's real toughness. Those balls you just flick them and they're on the ground.

Amy: I mean, they just seem like a whole thing. It is a major design flaw. So, okay.

Whitney: Anyway. That's a design flaw. Yeah.

Amy: So, with that covered, Enough about balls.

Whitney: Enough about balls.

Amy: Let's move into NAD: the Cellular Powerhouse.

Whitney: What are we talking about?

Amy: Woo! NAD.

Whitney: When you told me you were going to talk about this, it was such it was so crazy because I've just gotten back on that and I just purchased the nasal spray.

Amy: I didn't even know I don't even have that in here. There's a nasal spray?

Whitney: Oh, girl. All right, I'll tell you about it. Yeah.

Amy: Who makes it?

Whitney: There's a couple of places that make it. I just ordered some.

Amy: Interesting.

Whitney: And I'll tell you who it was.

Amy: Wow. Yeah, please tell Please tell me.

Whitney: It's coming on Saturday and I maybe I'll do it for the first time

Amy: Do it and and do it on the next show. Let's talk about it. Let's have a little add on or something.

Whitney: on the show.

Amy: So, NAD stands for nicotinamide adenine din- dinucleotide.

Whitney: NAD.

Amy: I practiced that too.

Whitney: That sounds very hard.

Amy: Anyway, whatever. It's yeah, it's a mouthful. Fuck it. It's a tiny molecule found in every single cell of your body.

Whitney: Oh, you knew this? I I yes. I I I I have been very interested in NAD+, remember I told you that I was OCD-ing on it, but my brain was like this? Do you remember when I you probably forgot, but I was I was taking the Bryan Johnson protocol, which had some niacin in it, and then I heard about NAD+, so I bought some NAD+ and I was taking that.

Amy: No, I told

Amy: Like, just an oral?

Amy: Okay.

Whitney: Yeah. And then I started getting massive flushing. And From the NAD+, yeah? From from the niacin. Okay, well, this is an interesting thing, not to hijack your stuff, but yes, so I I thought, after doing some research, it was because I was taking too much, cuz I was doing the Bryan Johnson and the NAD, cuz he had some niacin, which is all that's a part of it.

Amy: Okay. Yes, it is. They're they're interconnected.

Whitney: Anyway, and I couldn't keep up with the flushing. It was it was horrible. And so I had to give it up, but I talked to the I talked to Billy Ledbetter, he is Natalie's husband who's a doctor and they do Upgrade Labs, and he was like, "Deal with the flushing. Like just deal with it." And I was like, "You don't understand, I can't." But I will tell you that when I was taking that and the Bryan Johnson, I was so with it.

Amy: Yeah. Wow.

Whitney: So I got off the Bryan Johnson stuff, I started NAD+ again, guess what? Today, on the way here, I started flushing, and I'm I only took the NAD+, so I'm going to show you, I took a picture of me flushing today on the way to your place.

Amy: Where are your photos?

Whitney: I know. I was like Really felt around for that one. Wow, she's searching.

Amy: Her thumb was just like, "Are they here? Are they here? Are they"

Whitney: You see how red I'm getting?

Amy: Yes. You're very red.

Whitney: And then this one.

Amy: Your neck is My neck. I can't tell as much there. A little bit.

Whitney: What? Look how blotchy.

Amy: Yeah. Yeah, it's red.

Whitney: And so Send me those pictures so I can add them. Yeah, I'll send them to you. So I I was driving here, and all of a sudden, my face kind of got a little bit itchy and then I was feeling flush, and I was like, there's no way in hell it's because of those two pills I took 15 minutes ago.

Amy: Yeah, it is.

Whitney: And I I did a little Google search and it was like, yeah,

Amy: I'm going to tell you why, actually.

Whitney: it can happen. All right.

Amy: I'm going to tell you a little bit about how that functions with the niacin and what it does, what's happening in your body.

Whitney: Yes. All right. Let's move on.

Amy: So, this one's

Whitney: But the benefits are so good. Okay.

Amy: Yeah. Yes, they are. This is a little bit science-y. So I have never done NAD, but my husband has like numerous times via IV. I've never taken it, but I have taken niacin, so I know that flushing and it's miserable. I hate it. Personally, I hate it. I accidentally took it once at the radio station when we used to work together, and I didn't realize like

Whitney: Yeah. You got to be careful what you pick up and put in your mouth at the radio station.

Amy: I know. And I got in and I was like, "What is wrong with me?" I was losing my mind, and I was like, "Oh, I accidentally took some niacin." Okay. So, you think of this as your cellular battery pack or fuel converter. It's what turns the food you eat into the energy your body actually uses. Cool. We want that. It's been huge in biohacking and in the longevity communities, you know, for the past, I don't know, 10 years-ish. Jennifer Aniston does it, Justin Bieber.

Whitney: Oh, yeah. You see all of the Now everywhere, people are talking about it, even my good friend Albert Brooks.

Amy: Albert Brooks. Good old Albert Brooks. Joe Rogan, of course, is a big proponent. David Sinclair, he takes NMN, which we're going to talk about daily. It has It is an IT supplement, right? And so, I have not. I have not. I I didn't understand what it was and, honestly, I didn't even look into it and I get really confused easily, so that's partly why I do this show.

Whitney: Oh, Albert. I'm going to just find out Yes. Yeah.

Amy: I get confused easily, so I need I need to clear things up. Okay, so it is being studied for numerous conditions, including chronic fatigue, Parkinson's, Alzheimer's, addiction recovery, depression, metabolic disorders, general aging. We like that. And, of course, inflammation, too. Some addiction treatment centers even use high-dose NAD IV therapy as part of their protocols, which is interesting because my husband did it like when he was in like active very active recovery. Yeah.

Whitney: Oh, really?

Amy: It exists in two forms: NAD+, which is oxidized, and NADH, which is reduced. NAD+ is what we're usually talking about, more active form. It's like the charged battery. NADH is the depleted one that needs to be recharged. This switching back and forth between the two forms is how your cells transfer energy around. Interesting, right?

Whitney: Oh.

Amy: Yeah. Without it, you literally wouldn't be able to turn food into energy or move your muscles or stay alive. It's It's like super fundamental, right? So so important. It is involved in over 400 enzymatic reactions in your body, making it central to pretty much everything your cells do. And, of course, it declines as we age. So, by the time we hit our fun middle age, we have significantly less than we did as a child, which is why kids have like all this energy while we're like, you know, fucking caffeinating ourselves. Okay, so there's a long history. I don't I I wrote it all out, I've read through it and everything. I don't really feel like getting all into it.

Whitney: We don't need it.

Amy: We don't really need it, do we? So, anyway, it just goes way back. Louis Pasteur, 1860s,

Whitney: Way back.

Amy: like beer brewery stuff helped to discover it. Anyway, we don't need to get all into that. So,

Whitney: Oh. No. Nobody needs to know.

Amy: but we're talking in like 2000 was a real breakthrough. So let's get into that. They discovered these proteins that require NAD to function and control aging and cells. So it's about your cells getting older, right? That's what we need to know. So it was connected to longevity research at that point. And then they started like figuring out how to boost NAD levels.

Whitney: Mhm. Yeah.

Amy: In like 2004 and so in '13, I feel like like when Justin and I got together, it was really being talked about a lot in the biohacking communities, cuz that like

Whitney: Mhm. Mhm.

Amy: 2020 was when I don't know, I started really paying attention to these communities and it was like getting bigger. And so, and I started getting IVs and people were talking about it. I didn't do it, but, like the first commercial NAD booster supplement was 2015, and then, you know, then we're really moving into into now. Okay, so let's talk about how it actually works. It is an electron shuttle. In your mitochondria, which we Powerhouse of the cell. We know that from school.

Whitney: Mhm. Remember that. Yep.

Amy: It the NAD picks up electrons during the breakdown of nutrients and carries them to the electron transport chain, and they're used to make ATP. We like ATP. So it's like a little cellular, you know, transport system, little Uber, and it's constantly picking up and dropping off energy packets. So it does more than that though. It is essential for DNA repair because it powers your enzymes. I'm not going to get into the science-y stuff of that. Sirtuin activation. This is a longevity protein. I hadn't really heard of this. S-I-R-T-U-I-N. It regulates aging, metabolism, and stress-resistant resistance. So sirtuins literally can't function without NAD. So if you don't have NAD, then you don't have this protein activity. And guess what? You're aging faster. Gross, right? We hate that.

Whitney: Eww.

Amy: Gene expression Gross. Actually, no, it's a beautiful thing.

Whitney: Gross. No, we have to. Otherwise, you're dead.

Amy: It's a gift. It's a gift. It's a gift. Otherwise, you're dead. Okay, so gene expression. So NAD influences which genes get turned on or off through epigenetic modifications, cellular communication, it helps with that. Your body makes this through three main pathways. One from tryptophan, one from niacin, and then one from recycling NAD breakdown.

Whitney: Which I think niacin is like vitamin B.

Amy: It is. Yes, it is. Yes, it is. We're going to talk about that too. So most of our NAD naturally comes from this recycling pathway. So it's like salvaging the old and making it new. So that's what declines as we age, which totally makes sense, right? So, I mean, you can only recycle it so many times and it's just going to get less and less. Then you've got less to recycle.

Whitney: Right. Right.

Amy: So, niacin, let's talk about some NAD supplements and therapies. Yeah. Niacin, nicotinic acid. It's weird that that's that word is so related to nicotine, so I don't understand that fully, but anyway. So the OG NAD precursor is niacin. This is vitamin B3,

Whitney: Yeah. Mhm.

Amy: the one that it's it's well-studied, it's cheap, it's widely available, but it does cause flushing. I hate that. I hate the flushing. I don't want to just push through it.

Whitney: It's horrible because especially like we're trying to have this glass skin and and look very beautiful and young and kind of pale, like And then you just come in with these red cheeks and flush and I wouldn't

Amy: Yeah. It feels prickly too. I I don't like how it feels.

Whitney: Well, that's what I was about to say. I didn't know that it would it would make me itchy. Like I was like, why is It's prickly. Yeah. And it just not an attractive look. You're trying to get rid of the redness in your skin and

Amy: Yeah. Yeah, it's a vasodilator. So there are extended-release and flush-free versions, but they don't work as well for boosting NAD. Annoying. So, you know,

Whitney: That's why Dr. Billy was like, "Deal with it." "The benefits are so good." But I couldn't deal with it. It's almost like a hot flash.

Amy: It is. It's I I think it's miserable.

Whitney: Yeah, it's no fun.

Amy: Miserable. So,

Whitney: Am I red right now?

Amy: A little pink. A little pink, but

Whitney: A little bit? Yeah. It's not as bad as it was on the way over here, but it's still there.

Amy: Yeah. Yeah, it takes a while to go away. Okay, so the other one is niacinamide and or nicotinamide, and those are the same thing. In I noticed it's in a lot of those K-beauty and base products, which is cool, right?

Whitney: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Amy: This is the non-flushing form of niacin. It converts to NAD through the salvage pathway, which we have we're using the most, right? It doesn't cause the uncomfortable flushing. It's cheap and widely available, but not as efficient. So there you go. And it can actually inhibit sirtuins at high doses. Sirtuins are that weird word, right? That's important. So

Whitney: That weird

Amy: It's not as good, right? Less efficient than than NR, which we're going to talk about next, or NMN. So NR is nicotinamide riboside. So this is a a very popular one in the NAD supplement world. It's a form of vitamin B3 that converts directly to NAD through a two-step process using enzymes. Highly bioavailable, does not cause flushing, and is growing clinical evidence behind it. The most studied form is by ChromaDex. It's called Niagen, N-I-A-G-E-N. So it's small enough to cross cell membranes easily and is considered the most efficient oral NAD booster currently available. Okay? It's it can increase NAD levels by 40% or more. It's very bioavailable, no flushing, a lot of clinical evidence, efficient conversion, but it is more expensive than niacin.

Whitney: And it doesn't work as well?

Amy: No, apparently, it works pretty well.

Whitney: Oh. And what's it called again?

Amy: It is called NR.

Whitney: But but you named a product. Didn't you?

Amy: Yes, Niagen, N-I-A-G-E-N, Niagen. And we should try that.

Whitney: Niagen. Maybe I should try that cuz I don't know that I I want that that brain clarity. Well, anyway, we'll talk about it.

Amy: But without the flushing. So this might be a good one to try out. I wonder what's going to happen with this nasal spray.

Whitney: But without the flushing. I think it's the same because I did a little quick research

Amy: Like it's niacin?

Whitney: It's it's going to cause flushing, too.

Amy: Yeah. Okay. Well, this might be an interesting one. I want to try one, so maybe this is one I can try. Okay, so NMN, this is the one I mentioned in association with David Sinclair. We like David Sinclair. So he's a big proponent of this one. He takes it himself. It's nicotinamide mononucleotide. So that's the NMN. NMN is a step closer to NAD than NR, and it is the direct precursor, so it sounds like it should be better, but it's a larger molecule and some scientists believe it's too big to cross cell membranes directly. So it needs to be converted back to NR before entering cells, then converted back to NMN inside the cells. This sounds like too much. I don't want I I want to tax my cells. Like, what the hell? So the FDA is currently investigating NMN as a potential drug, so its status as a dietary supplement is unclear. Interesting, right?

Whitney: Yeah. Mhm.

Amy: So the pros of it are it's a direct NAD precursor, it's popular with longevity circles like, of course, Sinclair. Cons: questionable bioavailability and regulatory uncertainty, and it is more expensive. So, interesting. Okay. So, this next one, NAD+ IV therapy, have you done it?

Whitney: I haven't done the IV therapy cuz you can now get it in In the beginning, I think that was the only way they were doing it, but now you can get it in

Amy: In these other ways.

Whitney: in the pills and in nasal spray.

Amy: Yeah. I personally hate getting IVs, so I have

Whitney: Just because of needles or just like you don't like Why?

Amy: Several reasons. One, the needles. Two, I I don't feel great after IVs. It's weird. Everybody's like, "You feel so good." I feel like a bloaty, puffy, just kind of a mess. I don't I don't

Whitney: Oh. Yeah.

Amy: I mean, I guess in the days after it is better, but I don't feel great afterward. I feel like I'm fucking full of fluid, which you are. And I I don't know. I don't love it. I just don't love it. And I don't like sitting in a chair. Yeah.

Whitney: All right. Well, you don't have to do it.

Amy: Anyway, I'd rather have a healthy meal. So

Whitney: Which I know is probably not as great, but whatever.

Amy: Anyway, so or a good workout or something. I don't know. Anyway, my husband loves it and he's done NAD+ IV therapy over Consistently? He's still doing it? Not consistently, but he's done it and he he really likes how he feels in the days following. And I'm like, "How long?" And he's like, "I don't know." So I was like, I literally asked him last night. I was like, "Tell me about your experience." And so, I'll tell you as we talk about it. So the most direct approach is here the IV. It injects it directly into your bloodstream and this bypasses all the conversion steps and you get 100% bioavailability. So pretty cool, right? This has become popular in popular in longevity clinics and wellness centers. I mean, he's done it right here at Alive + Well in Austin.

Whitney: Mhm. Yeah, you can get it. Yeah.

Amy: And and it is popular there. Celebrities and biohackers swear by it, but it is expensive. It's time-consuming, 2 to 4 hours per session, but Justin, of course, is

Whitney: Sleeping?

Amy: ridiculous and no. He like He said that you can have a little clicker or a little control thing that controls how fast

Whitney: Oh, he just made it go in faster?

Amy: Yeah. So he made it go in faster, so he does the whole thing in like 45 minutes and just pushes through the pain, right? Because it can have nausea, flushing, chest tightness, but he didn't experience those. But what I've heard it hurts your it cramps your tummy.

Whitney: Of course he does. What? Mhm. I would think for sure he'd be flushing cuz he's so pale.

Amy: I don't even remember. He didn't even notice.

Whitney: Anyway. Cuz it does open up your blood vessels. That's why the flush flushing is happening.

Amy: I know. I know. So, anyway, people say it hurts, and so that's part of why I never want to try it either.

Whitney: I just don't have 2 to 4 hours, like

Amy: I know. It requires so long sitting there.

Whitney: I rarely go get my nails done for the same reason and that's just 45 minutes.

Amy: Agreed. 1 million percent agreed. I guess they work on their computer or something while they're doing it. I don't know. Anyway, you've got side effects, but 100% bioavailability, immediate effects, high doses are possible. Cons: it's expensive. I didn't price out how much he's paid. He was kind of sponsored by Alive + Well for a while, so

Whitney: It's probably like $250 or $2 I mean, most IVs are

Amy: I think it might be more. Yes.

Whitney: unless you're on a membership. Yeah.

Amy: Around that, yeah. Which again, I'm just like, I don't know. I just don't love IVs, so I guess I'm a weird one, but anyway, it requires a clinical setting and potential side effects, right? His tummy would hurt, but he said it went away pretty fast. He said he it made his guts feel wrung out.

Whitney: Ooh.

Amy: I know. He can do faster if slower. These are my notes from him. He felt really good the next day, turns your cells over, and he goes, "Supposedly, it did good things."

Amy: And so I was like, "Okay, supposedly." So that that was his words. Supposedly. Supposedly.

Amy: So I mean, it is hard when you're doing a lot of things. It's hard to pinpoint. Like, if you're doing this and you're taking creatine regularly, how do you know, you know what I mean? Like, it's very hard.

Whitney: Yeah. I know.

Amy: It's like when people say, "What have you done to your face?" I'm like, "Gee whiz, let me give you the list. I don't know what is working and what's not." So

Whitney: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Amy: anyway, there you go. So oral supplements, niacin, you know, is going to cost $5 to $15, right? It's cheaper, but you're going to get flushed, right? The NR is like you're going to take 250 to 500 mg a day and, you know, you're still going to have some flushing. And oh, no, I'm sorry, NR is the one with no flushing. NMN, you're going to have to take like up to 1,000 mg a day and so, you know, it all just varies a bit on like what you're taking dose-wise. I wonder what the nasal spray dose is. Will you make a note of like how much dose that is?

Whitney: Yeah, I'll bring it in. I'll do it on on air.

Amy: Oh, shit. Okay.

Whitney: I Yeah.

Amy: I love that.

Whitney: I'll be scared shitless, but I'll do it for the views.

Amy: Yeah. Do it for the views.

Whitney: So I am taking pills right now and I take two a day, but then my friends who came over this weekend, the guy takes it and he says he takes six a day.

Amy: Ah.

Whitney: He does two in the morning, two in the mid time, and two and for clarity

Amy: Is he Is he just vibrant as hell?

Whitney: Clarity for and focus. I mean, he he is, but aren't so am I and I'm tired all the time. Like

Amy: That's right.

Whitney: So who knows?

Amy: So, yeah.

Whitney: But I didn't ask him about the flushing, I don't think.

Amy: I'm curious. Really curious. Which one is he taking?

Whitney: He's taking NAD+.

Amy: NAD+ as an oral.

Whitney: Qualia. Yeah.

Amy: Qualia?

Whitney: Well, I don't I think he's taking Rho. That That's just the the

Amy: I wonder

Whitney: the maker of it, the company.

Amy: I guess it's just billed as NAD+ supplement, but I wonder if it's closer to NA NMN or NAD because

Whitney: I know I think the one that I'm taking, and I almost brought the the bottle when I knew we were going to talk about it and I didn't, but I think it's got all the precursors.

Amy: Oh, darn. Okay.

Whitney: That's why it's NAD+ cuz it's got all of those precursors in it.

Amy: Yeah. Yeah.

Whitney: So

Amy: Interesting. Okay. Well, I'm I'm really curious if you can just buy an NAD+ supplement, but what it really is. So, anyway, cuz they know they may call it that and it's like I don't know. Something else.

Whitney: Right. So so I use Qualia NAD+ and the reason that I use that one is because all of the ads that I saw, I I felt like the people that were doing them were legitimate. Like Huberman and what's the big Deepak Chopra,

Amy: Ooh.

Whitney: I know. Well, at the time, he wasn't involved in anything, so I trusted his judgment. Dave Asprey, obviously, talks about it and but then there's another company, I think, called Rho, R-H-O, I think.

Amy: Yeah. Mhm. Oh, yeah.

Whitney: And they create one, too. So really it boils down to a legitimate company that you know has quality products already, then you can buy. But you know who else I just heard talking about it was Amen.

Amy: Yeah. Okay, good.

Whitney: Dr. Amen.

Amy: Okay, good. I like that.

Whitney: So he probably has one in his store.

Amy: He probably does. Yeah. He probably does. I'm sure. Besides supplements, you can support NAD levels through your lifestyle, which intermittent fasting is supposed to help, exercise, calorie restriction, tryptophan, which comes from turkey, chicken, and eggs. I probably don't get enough of that.

Whitney: No, and it makes you tired.

Amy: I know. Eat it before bed.

Whitney: That's ironic because the NAD gives you energy, but you have to eat things that make you sleepy.

Amy: I know. And bad news, alcohol depletes your NAD.

Whitney: No! Damn it!

Amy: I know, that sucks, right? Also hormonal changes during menopause accelerate your biological aging,

Whitney: Sure, it makes sense.

Amy: and you have a an NAD+ mega decline, apparently, because of some fucking enzyme called CD38. So, anyway, that is a total bummer. So you're already,

Whitney: That is The midlife cliff. Yeah.

Amy: you know, Yeah, yeah, a menopause, you're already losing NAD+ normal aging and then menopause and you go you

Whitney: Yeah, cuz your all your hormones are going low. It makes Yeah.

Amy: Yeah. And they're calling it inflammaging. You get chronic inflammation that accelerates cellular aging. Arg!

Whitney: Arg!

Amy: So, anyway, it it's So that means it's important for us to do now. So I I would say my verdict, I am pretty much convinced and so I am interested in an oral non-flushing and I'm willing to spend the money on it. I didn't search contraindications, but I am wondering about those. Have you Have you found anything like, "Don't take this with X"?

Whitney: Well, I had it you know, I hadn't really thought about that until the flushing and then that's when I started putting everything into Gemini, the AI,

Amy: Mhm. Mhm.

Whitney: you know, guy, and and saying, "What am I getting too much of?" And that's when I found out, you know, that you're getting too much of this and it can cause flushing. And I was like, there you go, cuz I was getting niacin from the Bryan Johnson stuff, then I was adding this NAD+, so I was getting more of it, but I did feel very clear-headed. I mean, I remember thinking, damn, like I am on fire. Like, not because I'm flushing, but because my brain was clear, and so I was really bummed, but I couldn't handle the flushing. So then I got off all of that, and so I was like, okay, I can get back on the NAD+ and that's when I realized And, you know what? I think that remember the last time I showed you those picture the last time I was on my way here, and I bet it was NAD+, but I just didn't think about it. I just didn't think about it then.

Amy: Both. Yeah, you thought you had a rash.

Whitney: Yeah, I thought I had a rash. And I was like, I don't know why this is happening. Well, I'd gotten back on the NAD+. And for some reason, I had a bigger reaction than I do most days. I don't know, just like today. So I have been seeing a lot about the nasal spray, and so

Amy: I'm very curious.

Whitney: because I well, I don't want to step on your notes if you're But I mean, basically,

Amy: No, I'm done. Please Please tell.

Whitney: so one of the the downsides of taking this the the pill is that it has to go through your digestive system, and you can lose some of the potency, right?

Amy: Right, right.

Whitney: So I'd been seeing people talk about the nasal spray, which the reason I want it is for brain function, for brain clarity.

Amy: It seems like it'd go straight to your brain.

Whitney: It literally goes right up to your brain because that's Yeah. So,

Amy: Cool. We need those cells fired.

Whitney: yeah, so that's why I decided to try the nasal spray. So I've got that ordered and it's coming on Saturday.

Amy: How much was it?

Whitney: I got I paid extra to get it here by Saturday, so I think I paid like $75. If I would have done the prescription I mean, the subscription,

Amy: Get me that NAD, man, immediately. Stat.

Whitney: then it would have been cheaper, obviously, cuz you're buying it regularly, and then if I had not done the the added stuff, you could probably get it for $40 bucks, $50 bucks.

Amy: Okay. Cool.

Whitney: And I

Amy: God, you're you're so perfect for this show. You're such a supplement nerd.

Whitney: I I I'm a

Amy: Like, I don't think I understood the full extent

Whitney: of how ridiculous I am? I know.

Amy: of sitting here. Like, you're really You're very interested. You're very interested.

Whitney: What bothers me is that I am try Really, what is driving me, of course, longevity, but it is this brain fog. It is me saying prescription instead of subscription. It is me not being able to remember something that someone told me literally two seconds ago.

Amy: Right. Right.

Whitney: Or not being able to remember the name of something that I've known my whole life.

Amy: I did that just the other day. Somebody was like, "Oh, you've been to Mexico City?" And I I've talked about my trip to Mexico City and going to a wedding in Cuernavaca so many times the last 30 years and suddenly couldn't remember Cuernavaca. And I was just like I just stood there and I was like, "I cannot believe I can't remember this."

Whitney: Yeah. Yeah. Well, and like you said, in our line of work,

Amy: Pissed me off.

Whitney: you can't lose your words.

Amy: No!

Whitney: And I don't want to.

Amy: I don't, either.

Whitney: By the way, I got the I don't know if we talked about this, but, you know, I went in and got a test done to see if I had the protein for Alzheimer's, and I was convinced that I had it because no one called me no one was giving me the results and they didn't cancel the doctor phone call, whereas my cousin got her results right away and they canceled the doctor phone call.

Amy: Oh, shit.

Whitney: So I was like, well, I'm fucked. I've got Alzheimer's, and this is why nothing is helping me with my brain fog.

Amy: Yeah. This is it. We got a doctor on. Oh, no.

Whitney: But they called me and I don't have it.

Amy: Oh. Congratulations!

Whitney: So I was like Yeah, yay! But but

Amy: Oh, my gosh.

Whitney: but this is what's so frustrating, is why? I'm on the estrogen, I'm taking the supplements, I'm doing the things, and I still can't say subscription. It's so frustrating. So that's why I'm taking all this stuff. So I'm going to do the nasal spray. But anyway, so I was like, I don't want to

Amy: It doesn't make sense.

Whitney: I want to get the full effect and I want it to go straight to the brain. So that's why I decided the nasal spray, but today when I did the little research about there's no way that I could be reacting after 15 minutes cuz I thought it had to go through the whole digestive thing, and Gemini said if you're on an empty stomach, it doesn't It doesn't take as long and then it actually doesn't go through like it gets absorbed right when it hits the stomach.

Amy: It all matters. Yeah. Wow.

Whitney: Like it's it's going through the lining of your stomach.

Amy: Like it is. We know it's working, I guess.

Whitney: So it's not going through the liver or whatever. Well, I took two today, and I'm still forgetting words, but I'm red in the face. So there's that.

Amy: See, that part, it's like the enzyme to convert the niacin or something like that, so shit.

Whitney: So we'll see next time. I don't know. So I'm going to try the nasal spray, but now I'm sad because I think I'm going to be flushed with that, too.

Amy: We're going to find out.

Whitney: But I'm going to do it on air. We'll try it.

Amy: Did it say flushing or no?

Whitney: It didn't, but it

Amy: It didn't.

Whitney: it it didn't say any of that, but

Amy: Okay. Okay.

Whitney: that's not really something that it tells you. Like when I was reading about it before, I didn't know about the flushing. I had Once I got the flushing, I had to go Google it.

Amy: Really? Those fuckers. Like, tell us! Side effects may include flushing.

Whitney: They don't tell that. I know. Well, they probably do, but I don't read the side effects. I just I saw the the ad and I went, "Sold!"

Amy: Everybody in the ad wasn't like fully pink.

Whitney: No one was red. No one was a lobster.

Amy: You're like, "Everybody has a sunburn that's in this ad."

Whitney: So I don't know. I'm still on my quest. That's really my main focus, just getting rid of this brain fog and what can I do. So I'll I'll keep you posted, and and like I said, on the next episode.

Amy: Are you talking to your brain, telling it it's getting smarter and sharper?

Whitney: I need to do that.

Amy: Yeah, you do. Worked for your eyes.

Whitney: It did. It's worked I know I can only wear one contact now because I feel like I can't see if I've got them both in.

Amy: Cool. Wow!

Whitney: But also it's not like the eye without the contact is like perfect vision.

Amy: No. No.

Whitney: So I think it's just very slowly, but I don't know.

Amy: Oh, gosh. It continues. Well, thank you for being our guinea pig.

Whitney: You are welcome.

Amy: I can't wait. I I kind of want it. I'm excited, very excited, so.

Whitney: Yeah. We'll see. I mean, probably flushing doesn't happen for everyone, so

Amy: I don't know. It's We'll see. Sounded like it's a vasodilator, so it's happening. Yeah.

Whitney: Yeah, it makes sense.

Amy: So, which that's what I'm trying to avoid in my face, too: broken capillaries and vasodilators and stuff. So I don't know.

Whitney: I know. Get rid of the redness.

Amy: Ah.

Whitney: Whatever. We do what we want.

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