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Anything But Mid is hosted by Amy Edwards and Whitney Stropp. Neither host is a doctor and nothing here is medical advice. Lightly cleaned for readability.

Amy: I'm Amy.

Whitney: And I'm Whitney.

Amy: And this may be midlife,

Whitney: but you're anything but mid.

Amy: All right. All righty.

Whitney: Already. Amy, hi.

Amy: Hello. How are you?

Whitney: I'm doing well. Um, I think you, you know, but on one of our, I think it was the last episode, I was talking about going to Spain, and the whole trip got canceled, which was so sad.

Amy: I was so sad for you. I could not believe it. I was so sorry.

Whitney: So, so sad. I know. I really was in a funk for like two weeks after.

Amy: You worked so hard.

Whitney: I know. So much planning. And, and, um, just the, I was so excited to spend that time with the kids, and it wasn't going to happen. And it had nothing to do with TSA lines, zero. It was, the first flight was canceled because of air traffic control, which I guess is government's stitch. And then they, it was American, and American was like, "We, we can't even rebook you. We've got nothing."

Amy: That's so insane.

Whitney: And so, I'm in the, I was about to say in the hospital, I'm in the airport. I should have been taken to the hospital. Um, and I just pull up my laptop, and I'm on Delta, and literally as I'm looking at the screen, the flights are changing to sold out, sold out, sold out. And so I just grabbed something. I didn't even really, I mean, it was like three times the cost, and you know, two connections, but I was like, I don't care. We're getting there. We showed up to the airport the next day on a different airline. The flight gets delayed, delayed, delayed because of mechanical issue. We finally get on the plane. We pull off from the gate, and the the, um, pilot says, "We have to turn around. The flight crew has timed out."

Amy: Oh my gosh.

Whitney: But by that time, we were already going to miss our connection. But I was like, I don't even care. Let's get on this plane. And if we have to have a some, a spring break in Detroit, then we will, by God, enjoy Detroit. But um, so,

Amy: Where were you right then at that point?

Whitney: I we never left Austin.

Amy: That was in Austin.

Whitney: We never left Austin, which is a gift, because we got to go home, but it was so sad. It was so, so sad. And then after that, like we were all traumatized, and there wasn't enough time to get to Spain and have the kids get back before their spring break was over, so.

Amy: Golly.

Whitney: I went to Port A instead, and that was, uh.

Amy: I'm so sorry. I did too.

Whitney: You've ever been to, oh yeah.

Amy: I went too.

Whitney: Yeah, that's right. We talked about that.

Amy: I liked Port A.

Whitney: No dude, my area of Port A was just drunk teens on golf carts.

Amy: There was a shooting, you know, on the beach.

Whitney: I know. That was, that was Very scary. the next week, I think. We weren't there for that, luckily.

Amy: That was when we were there.

Whitney: Oh, really?

Amy: Yeah, I was like the first night we got there or something like that.

Whitney: So scary.

Amy: So I was like, "Oh my God." Why?

Whitney: That was definitely, that could have been a mid moment, because I was like that person out on the front going like, "Slow down!"

Amy: Right. Right.

Whitney: You know, to all the teenagers.

Amy: Yeah. My teenagers were great. It was fun. We had a good time. They're so sweet. I'm I'm impressed with like kids these days. I I I mean, they get a bad rap, and I just feel like they're the my experience is like super good right now. I mean, it's almost there's normal stuff, granted.

Whitney: Yeah. Aww.

Amy: That's great.

Whitney: But you also have girls.

Amy: I do. I do. That's true.

Whitney: So, my experience was with a boy, a teen boy, and it was challenging.

Amy: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I know.

Whitney: So.

Amy: And I mean, there are challenges too, but at the same time and, but like, golly, today I was like, "What'd you get on your SAT?" And she tells me, I guess I won't broadcast it, but I was like,

Whitney: But it was great.

Amy: "Well, I thought it was great, but apparently today that's not great." And I was like, in 1990, that was like awesome. Like, you're done. And she was like, I go, "Have kids gotten smarter or is SAT easier?"

Whitney: No, honestly, I just heard something yesterday. Um, kids are getting dumber. This is Gen Z.

Amy: Then why are they scoring so high on the freaking SAT?

Whitney: I don't know, but he he's saying,

Amy: Like, if they're under 1,300, that's they think there's that's bad. And I'm like,

Whitney: Are they cheating? No. I don't know. This guy just, and he was blaming that the technology that they're using in school is actually keeping their brain from developing

Amy: I got,

Whitney: and making them, but if you think,

Amy: They seem fucking smart to me.

Whitney: if you look at it this way though, like we used to remember everyone's phone numbers,

Amy: To True. True.

Whitney: and then technology came into the picture. I don't even know my own child's phone number. I know my phone number, which will not be helpful in an emergency.

Amy: You should have memorized your kids' numbers. I've made my family memorize everyone's.

Whitney: For myself. My kids all know my phone number, and I know my mother's phone number.

Amy: They better. Oh, okay.

Whitney: But I don't know my children's phone number.

Amy: That's good. Actually, I'm kind of stretching the truth. I I forget my kids' phone numbers. They're very hard for me to remember.

Whitney: Isn't that crazy? Yeah.

Amy: Yeah. And Gigi's is like some weird area code.

Whitney: Oh, yeah. Yeah. And then, I I used to, I mean, back in the day, you know how to get you knew how to get places. I have been coming to your house for weeks and weeks and weeks. I still put my navigation system on. And by the way, it isn't even that difficult. It's like a straight shot.

Amy: It really isn't. You make one turn.

Whitney: Yeah, so I'm I'm not using my brain because now technology is my brain, and so those parts aren't being used. So, I don't know. I don't know how that'll correlate.

Amy: You're just outsourcing your brain, and you're not exercising those muscles, and like I've been reading about like when men use our brains, like as partners,

Whitney: Yeah. Oh.

Amy: yeah. They use uh someone else's brain, and I notice it now like, like the kids or or my husband will like ask me, "Hey, you know," rather than thinking about it like, what is this, or what what's on the calendar, or what? And I'm like I read something and it was like, okay, are you using my brain, or your brain? Like, like and it's taxing your brain in a way that it shouldn't be, and then they're outsourcing their anyway, whatever. You get it. You get it.

Whitney: Ooh. Oh, that's interesting. Well, I also heard something. Arthur Brooks, who I love, that's his name, I think. He he's like the happy he's like the happy expert. He talks He's done a book with Oprah, and he is a professor at Harvard or Stanford, I can't remember.

Amy: I don't know who this is. Oh, cool. Oh, cool. Okay, he's smart.

Whitney: Anyway, um, and his whole thing is about making, you know, bringing joy in your life and having a happier life, a purposeful life. But, I think it was him that said, because of our phones and social media in particular, we're only sitting in one side of our brain all day long. There's no boredom. And boredom is when you use another part of your brain that helps with some stuff that I can't remember.

Amy: I like that. Boredom. I'm going to make a note. I want to make some.

Whitney: Yeah, it it's good to be bored.

Amy: It is good.

Whitney: And it was interesting. I babysat my, um, little, I guess she's my great-niece, cuz she's my nephew's daughter. That sounds old. My great-niece.

Amy: No. Can I just say for a second, my sister's daughter is having a baby, and she goes, "You're going to be a great-aunt." And I was like, "I'm sorry. Excuse me?" And then I go, "No. No, no, no, no, wait. A great-aunt is like the grandmother's sister." And she goes, "Yeah, that's you."

Whitney: No, thanks.

Amy: I was like, "Wait, what?"

Whitney: You're like, that does not compute.

Amy: My great-aunt was like a million years old. Sorry, Aunt Edna.

Whitney: It does not compute. Yeah.

Amy: But you were. Okay.

Whitney: Well, so I I was babysitting this, you know, toddler. She's like 13 months old. And um, the TV is always on. So I turned the TV off, and we went out, and we played blocks or. I mean, she's 13 months old. It's not like we're, you know, playing dominoes or anything. But um,

Amy: Yeah. Sure, sure. Mahjong.

Whitney: All right. Mahjong. Um, and then my mom came over after naptime, and we put her in her chair, and she was eating her lunch, and my mom got the iPad out and put it in front of her, and I go, "What are you doing?" And she was like, "Well, she doesn't have anything to watch." And I go, "She doesn't need anything to watch. She's not crying. She's playing with her food. Like, why would you stick a screen in front of her?"

Amy: Normal. Right.

Whitney: And my mom was like, "Because she likes it," you know. And I was thinking, this is bad news.

Amy: Oh, it is bad.

Whitney: Nobody is ever bored anymore. I even saw an old woman today when I was driving. She had her little walker, and she had her phone out and she's walking, but she's looking at her phone. She's probably getting directions. I don't know.

Amy: Mhm. No. That sounds like a comedy sketch.

Whitney: But I was like, what?

Amy: Yeah.

Whitney: And you're going to note I'm sure you already notice. I mean, you just walk around, and everyone is on their phones.

Amy: Yes, they are. They are.

Whitney: It's crazy.

Amy: Um, on a positive screen note, I wanted to ask you, have you watched Jury Duty 2?

Whitney: Okay. I can't.

Amy: Why?

Whitney: Because I hurt for the person that's being tricked.

Amy: No, you've got to watch.

Whitney: No, I can't. I watched the first one, and it was so sad. And he was traumatized.

Amy: It is the No. The end, this guy, I don't know how they chose this guy. He is the biggest gem of a human being, Anthony. He is the most wonderful person,

Whitney: And he's being duped. The most wonderful person.

Amy: But he he he does so good at the end. You will cry. It is so good. It's all out. It's all out now. They're promoting it and stuff, and he knows. And so he's out doing some press about it, and he's talking about He's He's so wonderful. And then they connected him and the first guy to talk about their experience together. And uh it is just It is so good. But they go without their phones too. Like, they talk to him about how was it without your phone, you know, did you What'd you tell your family? And like, anyway, it's uh it's so It's so heartwarming. I get I get that what you're saying, cuz I'm like I have pangs of that too.

Whitney: It's so you've already seen the ending? Oh my gosh. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Okay. Yeah.

Amy: But, um,

Whitney: But he gets

Amy: he handles it.

Whitney: handsomely rewarded at the end, I'm sure.

Amy: He gets handsomely Uh, very much so.

Whitney: Yeah, and he and the whole world loves him, I guess.

Amy: He's so lovable. And like, what he does at the end Nobody has a son. And what he does at the end just like,

Whitney: Is he married?

Amy: oh my god, I just get choked up thinking about it. Like, it's so, so, so good. And if you can let yourself just think it's funny, like, and then all the actors at the end, too, are like they're crying. They're like, "You changed our life. The way that you behaved to us, the way that you accepted us, the way that you treated us as humans." They were like, it it will get you. It's really, really good.

Whitney: Aw. Fine. I'll watch the lie to get to the end. Enjoy it. Aww. Okay.

Amy: Yeah. So, anyway. You got I just I loved the first one too. I just thought it was so fucking funny.

Whitney: I'll watch it. There was also one where a guy thought he was on a dating, like, he was on a contest. I don't know if it was a date. I don't think it was a dating contest. I don't remember now. But he really formed friendships with these people, but they weren't they weren't real. They were playing characters. And so, he was devastated. He was like, "I thought I had these great friends, and I find out that they were lying to me the whole time, and I was for their entertainment."

Amy: Yeah. Well, I can understand that, I mean, you know, but.

Whitney: Yeah. But I'll watch it since it's It has a happy ending.

Amy: Yeah. Okay. It does. It really does. And I mean, he handles it very well. Like that is one way to position it, for sure, you know, that everyone's lying to you. But, um, yeah, he's even like, at the end, he's laughing and he was like, "I'm going to call you guys by your fake names."

Whitney: Yeah, he only knows them by Exactly. He only knows them from their character names and those aren't even their names. And everything that he thinks he knows about them

Amy: No, it's all fake.

Whitney: is all a lie. So like, it's confusing, I would think. Like, he'll be like, "Oh, Sarah, well, when your mom was in the hospital." Wait.

Amy: Is all a lie. Yeah.

Whitney: You don't even have a mom, or whatever.

Amy: I know. He's like, "Are you really a snack influencer?" Cuz one guy is a snack influencer.

Whitney: I'm going to go with no, he's really not.

Amy: Which is fucking hilarious. Anywho, do you have a mid moment? Let's cover mid moments.

Whitney: Oh, gosh. That's Okay. So, I don't I I'm going to make this my mid moment, because I feel like it you it starts to happen as we age, you get scammed.

Amy: Ooh.

Whitney: Okay. I did not get scammed,

Amy: Oh, okay.

Whitney: but what but what happened was, and and technology starts to get confusing, right? And I think with AI, everything is getting more confusing, and I'm going to try to keep up so that I'm not one of those people that's like, "I don't do that cuz it's too confusing." You know, I want to be like

Amy: Yes. It is. Why is that your old technology voice?

Whitney: That That's probably my old age voice.

Amy: "I don't get that."

Whitney: I I get really Southern. "I don't understand."

Amy: And your hand Hands on the hips. No, I like it. I like it. It works.

Whitney: And a little wiggle. Anyway, um, this is so sad, but this is going to be a lesson for everyone listening. So, my friend's social media got hacked.

Amy: Fuck.

Whitney: And, um, and she she

Amy: How did how did it get hacked?

Whitney: She does not know. Somehow, he got her email. I don't really, I'm still not exactly sure.

Amy: So she didn't click anything.

Whitney: No, she didn't click anything, but she she got the notification from like Facebook, "There's a unusual sign-in," you know, or whatever, or maybe she found out that she couldn't get in, and she recovered it, right, which you can do, which is a whole You cannot reach anyone at Meta.

Amy: I know. I have a friend that works there.

Whitney: There's no way

Amy: You've only got to have the insides.

Whitney: if you if someone get Um, well, good. Well, all right. I'm going to get that out of you in a minute. So anyway, she she recovers the account, but he gets back in because he has her email, because when they send a verification, it's email or phone. And she's like, "I don't care. Send it to my email." Well, he had access to her email, got back in, and then she was locked out. It It's crazy. She gets it so he gets her Facebook page, and he writes a message as her saying, "I'm so sad. My uncle is not doing well, and we're going to have to put him into a retirement facility," I thought you were about to say put him down. No. "into a retirement facility, which means we are selling off a lot of his things in order to, um, provide him with the money to take to take care of himself." And then there are pictures of like a car and like a all these things in really good condition. Now, keep in mind, everyone thinks it's Kelly. Kelly cannot get into her account. She is desperate to let people know that she's been hacked. So, she's texting her friends, but she's got over 3,000 Facebook friends.

Amy: Whoa. Oh, shit.

Whitney: So, people, luckily, so not all, people believed that this is happening. He he takes the comments off, so no one can comment on the post. They have to DM him

Amy: Yeah. Wow.

Whitney: or text her on her phone.

Amy: That's crafty as fuck.

Whitney: Yeah, so people are DMing him and sending him money saying that that, and then she's getting texts saying, "I'm so sorry to hear about your uncle," or "Hey, I'm interested in the car," or "Hey, I already gave 4,300, but it won't let me do any more, so I'll have to give you the rest tomorrow." So, Kelly is getting

Amy: Damn it. 4,300?

Whitney: the car, I can't remember what he was asking for it, but the girl gave him $4,300, Zelled him. Kelly calls Zelle to see if they will do anything. They say, "We don't have access to."

Amy: They always have that little thing on you have to click that's like, "I understand this could be a scam, and Zelle's not responsible."

Whitney: You The the woman who Zelled the $4,300 literally had a name and a bank account, because it's Zelle, and no one will do anything. No one will help get that money back.

Amy: Why did she send it to a name that was different? I guess she thought it was the uncle?

Whitney: I guess. Yeah, who knows. And Kelly said people were sending her screenshots of the DMs, and it sounds like Kelly talking. Like, the way he is using it,

Amy: Fuck.

Whitney: it sounds like it's her. And so I posted on my social media, you know, "Look, if a friend says on her social media that she's selling something or that she's needs money, you need to text them directly to their phone. Do not utilize the DM in the Facebook."

Amy: Always. Always. Always. Yeah.

Whitney: Or or Instagram. You don't know who you're talking to.

Amy: No.

Whitney: And it has been a nightmare for her. She has not been able to sleep, because not just that she's lost her account with, you know, 20 years of photographs and things She's a photographer, so she puts all these senior photos on there and stuff, and then just her own kids. But she has been kept up at night because she knows, and then he put another text up the uh post the next day. And by the way, we're reporting him.

Amy: Aw. Shit.

Whitney: They say, "We'll check it out," and then you get a notification saying it doesn't look like a scam. I I blasted it and and tagged Kelly's account on my account saying she's been hacked. He blocked me and unfriended me. And he sent he put another post up the next day with some Rolex watches. And people are trying to buy them, and she's getting texts, you know, for every 10 texts that she gets from a friend saying, "I want to buy it," there are other people DMing the guy and sending money. She got the FBI involved. She made a police report. They couldn't do anything.

Amy: Shit.

Whitney: There's nothing that they can do. And she is horrified because she doesn't want to She doesn't want to give up because people are being scammed out of money.

Amy: Yeah. Yeah.

Whitney: So just, you know, as we get older, and as AI gets better.

Amy: Holy shit. And I guess he changed the email on the account.

Whitney: Yeah, he changed everything so that she can't get in at all. And a friend of a friend works at Meta, and they said that they would try to help,

Amy: Good.

Whitney: but I don't know what's happened since then. But there's no way to reach anyone.

Amy: They can't. They can't. No. You've got to know somebody.

Whitney: They don't care. FBI even said, "It's a money-making thing for Facebook. They don't They're They're just in that business to make money. They're not trying to" They don't They don't care that people are getting scammed. That's That's on them.

Amy: They want people on the app.

Whitney: Yeah. There's no, isn't it crazy with if you think about the amount of people that use that platform, there's no customer service line. There's no person that you can contact. It's just a loop of two-step verification, or, you know,

Amy: Mhm. It's so frustrating.

Whitney: flag it as scam. But if they're acting like the person on their real account, it's one thing if they create a second account, you can be like, "There." But this is somebody that's in their account, and they're not making,

Amy: Sure. Sure. Damaging. Oh.

Whitney: you know, posts that flag flag anything. So what does your friend say, or what's the inside scoop?

Amy: Well, she's just She's helped people before. I know that she works at Meta, but um but she's careful about who she helps, you know. But um,

Whitney: Yeah. Yeah.

Amy: I mean, Justin lost access to some stuff, and we had a different friend that worked there, and he helped. But Justin went to Meta and met up with our friend and went and help like stood over the computer to help. And it Yeah.

Whitney: And not I mean, most people do not have that kind of access.

Amy: No. It was like we were actually shocked and and for for him to make the effort to actually go like, you know. Um,

Whitney: Yeah, that's nice.

Amy: but he Justin.

Whitney: Oh, you mean Justin making the effort to go.

Amy: Yeah. Yeah.

Whitney: But he's not like Nobody can just go up and knock on the door on Meta and be like, "Let me in. I've been scammed."

Amy: I know. It's too bad. It's too bad. I mean, they are in Austin.

Whitney: Or might Yeah, but they are in Austin.

Amy: But, oh my god, that sucks.

Whitney: It's so sad. And I She has been working This all happened on Friday. And she even yesterday was still getting texts. And so, she doesn't I mean, it's just keeping her in the state of stress because she knows

Amy: Oh. Oh, oh, oh.

Whitney: people are sending him money because they trust him, because they think it's Kelly. It's so sad. So, this is just a reminder to everybody, never talk to your friend through DM like that. If somebody's asking for money, and who gives $4,300 to a car they haven't even seen?

Amy: Always. Always. Who does?

Whitney: But again, it's because you trust your friend. She said on the DMs, he was like, "Look, you know, why don't you just give me half of it to as a deposit,

Amy: Oh. So smart.

Whitney: and then if you decide that you don't want it, I'll give you your money back," because again, they think they're talking to their friend.

Amy: So smart.

Whitney: And she said it was scary because the the text back and forth sounded like her.

Amy: He had all her old DMs. He probably fed them into AI.

Whitney: Yeah, AI. That's what she said the FBI says they do. And then they said it's probably a human-trafficked kid in Malaysia that's having to do this. Fuckin' A.

Amy: So, you're sad all around.

Whitney: Anyway.

Amy: That just made me so much worse.

Whitney: You're welcome.

Whitney: I know. It's so horrible. Okay, what's your mid moment?

Whitney: Oh, sorry.

Amy: My mid moment was positive. I

Whitney: Good, because we need it after that story.

Amy: Here's a positive mid moment. Let's see if anyone can relate. I just yesterday was like, I think or this weekend, I went and I ate something that was not good for you. I ate some

Whitney: Cheetos, or something? Okay.

Amy: crap at the movie theater. And uh

Amy: I was like feeling a little bad about it. And then I just started to take note of all the things that I feel bad about, and I don't want to do that anymore. I've just decided that even just past things that I've done that I still could feel bad about, I just decided like, I'm not going to do that anymore. And I just that's my mid moment. I don't want to do that anymore. I don't want to feel bad about something I ate. Uh who cares? A fucking I'm going to do it again, you know what I mean? And and

Whitney: And And it's interesting. Why even do we do that? It's not like, I mean, we've been shamed, I guess, in this in this society.

Amy: Yeah, I guess so. And I'm like, fuck it. I'm not going to feel bad about it. I chose it. I did it. It was good. And um and and the same just with past stuff. Like even, you know, I share a lot about being divorced twice. And like people are divorced, like big fucking deal. You know, I'm not like proud of it, but at the same time, I'm done feeling bad about it. And people try to tell me to feel bad about it, and I'm like, "You know what, go ahead and fuck right off because I'm not going to

Whitney: Look.

Amy: anymore."

Whitney: Well, why not spin it and be proud of yourself for getting out of a situation that wasn't healthy for you? Why Why is it a shameful thing? "Oh, you would rather me just stay in this horrible situation?"

Amy: Right. Right, right.

Whitney: So, I just It's silly.

Amy: I'm just um I'm just any way you slice it, whatever. We don't have to spend our lives feeling bad about stuff, about about any choices, or anything. Even just something as small as what you ate. Like, fuck that. I I don't want to do that anymore. And I'm just like, I'm not going to do that anymore.

Whitney: No. Okay, good.

Amy: Yeah. It's probably going to take a little bit of time where you'll have to be aware of the thought and be like, "Nope. Move it on out."

Amy: Yep, it's a muscle. It's a muscle. It's not going to be perfect. But I guess I just noticed it more, you know, and I was like,

Amy: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Amy: "What the fuck am I what am I fucking I do that every time I go to the movies. I eat something bad, and then I feel bad about it. I'm like,

Whitney: Why would you feel bad about it?

Amy: "Stop it." "Stop it. Slap myself in the face. Stop it." All right, well, shall we get into neurotoxins today?

Amy: Agreed.

Whitney: Yes, I cannot wait.

Amy: I am very excited. I was having a conversation about neurotoxins with a close friend of mine, and she's really good at all things like face. And we just realized we didn't really know enough about each different type, cuz I was like, "Oh, wait. Did I get Xeomin? Did I get Daxxify? What did I get?"

Whitney: Yeah, I just go in and go, "What's the cheapest?"

Amy: You know. Well, I don't know that that's the best thing, right?

Whitney: It's not.

Amy: It's not. And so I'm going to tell you everything today.

Whitney: Okay, good. I I'm excited.

Amy: And there's one that I'm really excited to tell you about, and actually, it's the cheapest. So, I'm very, very excited. So, um, I have several different sources. They'll be in the show notes. I have Mayo Clinic. I have a really great article from last year from Cosmopolitan. And, um, however, the writer of that started doing it at 19. Not recommended, okay?

Whitney: Huh.

Amy: Yeah, I know. I was

Whitney: My sister started doing it at 20 29 or something. And at that time too, I was like, "This is ridiculous. Why are you doing this right now?"

Amy: fucking disturbed. When did you start?

Whitney: Uh, not until my 40s.

Amy: Really? I started at 37. Oh, yeah.

Whitney: It wasn't a thing. I didn't really think about it. Plus, my husband was alive, and he was a big budgeter. No, it wasn't. It wasn't like, "Don't do that to your face." We didn't really talk about it. But there It was like, "That's not in the budget."

Amy: He was like, "That's only saving my life." It is now.

Whitney: I can do what I want.

Amy: Um, and then there was another article from IM Cosmetic Surgery. Um, oh, and I started around 37. I got over-Botoxed, like full on Spock, the first time. It was not good. Like 45 units. Oh, I was like, I know.

Whitney: Oh, yeah.

Amy: That fucking bitch. Anyway.

Whitney: She took advantage of you.

Amy: Live and learn. I didn't know. It was 2000 and something. So, 2008. Okay, so let's dive in. What exactly are neurotoxins? We're going to cover them all, too, okay?

Whitney: Okay.

Amy: Um, so neurotoxins are also known as neuromodulators. They're injectable purified types of botulinum toxin. That's Type A.

Whitney: That's it's

Amy: Botulism, right?

Whitney: Yeah, that's the part that scares me, and but not enough to not put it in my face, but.

Amy: It scares most people. I know. It scares most people, but it's an isolated thing, and it's been around a very long time, so we don't have to be scared of it anymore. Like literally gazillions of people are doing it, and none of us have botulism, so we're all right. Uh, so when injected in a specific way, it can soften or paralyze facial mus- muscles, or any muscles, to re- reduce the appearance of fine lines and wrinkles. They work at the neuromuscular junction to relax muscle movement, and as a result, reduce the appearance of expression lines, right? So it's relaxing the muscle, and our skin acts accordingly. It's always confused me though, because it's paralyzing the muscle, but it's in the relaxed state, I guess. Cuz when I think of paralyzed, I think of like

Whitney: Yeah, I guess when it it's just making it so it doesn't move. So it's going to be relaxed. Right.

Amy: And like for me, it's I hold a lot of tension in my forehead, and when I started getting it, I was like, "Oh my god. I just felt so" It like relieved some stress for me. So, I've never gotten it in my jaw.

Whitney: Relaxed. Oh, yeah.

Whitney: I have cuz I you know, we both do. Yeah.

Amy: I grind, yeah.

Whitney: Um, I have done it in there a couple of times.

Amy: And? Did it help a lot?

Whitney: I mean, I wouldn't say a lot, but also I was doing it at the esthetician place instead of you can actually go to a doctor. My dentist gave me the name of where to go, and then I never went. But they they'll do a stronger amount or something, because they feel more comfortable with it, cuz they know that area.

Amy: Yeah. A doctor. Oh. Wow.

Whitney: But, um,

Amy: Oh, I may do that someday. Like I can feel it just sitting here, and I think I just live my life with this tension in my temples and my jaw.

Whitney: Yeah. I'll go back and look at the name.

Amy: Yeah. And I don't think about it, you know, like it's just a way of life. Anyway, okay. So, yeah. We're talking It's So, botulism is a type of food poisoning, right, a a toxin that causes food poisoning. But the form of this botulism botulinum toxin that is used in Botox meets medical control standards approved by the FDA. So, the bacteria toxins are not harmful if used correctly. Hopefully they're being used correctly. And so, Botox is like, of course, our OG, right? That's That's like saying Kleenex. Well, that's what I was about to say. That's the word that I use even if I'm doing Daxxify or something else. Yes. Exactly. That's what we do. It's like, you know, Q-tips, or Kleenex, or Coke. Uh so it And it is still the most common used Botox across the board. So, a little bit of the history. Can you even guess what year um this was discovered?

Whitney: I think it was a long time ago.

Amy: It was, 1897. That's trippy, right?

Whitney: That's crazy. What were they using it for though?

Amy: Well, I I'm not sure. Uh it was hypothesized that you could use a sausage poison disgusting, for mus-

Whitney: Who's Who's sausage?

Amy: I know. for muscle overactivity. So, again, they were seeing it relax muscles. So, um, so then, I'm not going to go through all this, but you know, in the '70s they started kind of playing with it to paralyze muscles and tested it for humans' crossed eyes.

Whitney: Oh, okay.

Amy: Trippy, right?

Whitney: Yeah.

Amy: That's so like freaky.

Whitney: Ooh, but then do they put that in their eyeball? No, cuz it's got to be in No, I don't know.

Amy: Maybe a muscle was pulling the eye inward, right?

Whitney: I'm not a doctor.

Amy: Uh so then they were treating it for eye spasms in like the '80s and they noticed it was eliminating facial wrinkles. And you're like, "Oh my god. What can we do with this?" And so in '89, it was approved for medical uses like eyelid spasms and stuff, and then in 2002, cosmetic use, okay?

Whitney: Okay. Yeah, I was like '89, I don't think anyone was

Amy: Isn't that nuts? Yeah. So, I guess if you had eye spasms, you had less wrinkles around your eyes, so.

Whitney: Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, lucky.

Amy: Yeah, bonus. Um, okay, so neurotoxin shots block certain chemical signals from nerves that cause the muscles to contract. So, it's really not your muscles, it's the nerves. Um, and then, of course, we're mostly using it Frown lines, that's the number one most common thing, um, preventing those contractions. Crow's feet, very common too. I don't get it there, do you?

Whitney: Yeah, I get it there, and here, and up here.

Amy: I hate it around my eyes. I feel like I don't look like me.

Whitney: I you I sometimes would do it around my eyes, but then I could literally feel my smile like stop. Like, all of a sudden, it wasn't going up. And I was like, "Eh, I don't like that feeling."

Amy: I look super surprised. Yeah. I don't like that either. I really I I like the sweet spot when it's just worn off and you have no wrinkles. And then your face moves.

Whitney: That lasts one day, Amy. That sweet, sweet spot for 24 hours.

Amy: It lasts a couple of weeks, a couple of weeks, usually, and then it turns into wrinkles again. Okay. So, botulism toxin botulinum, sorry, toxin is available in two forms: botulism type botulinum toxin type A. That's the one we want. That's what all of these are. That's what all of these are.

Whitney: Okay. That's what all of these are. Okay. Ooh, well what's B?

Amy: So we we got Botox, we got Dysport, we got Xeomin, we got Daxxify, we got Jeuveau, and we got the newest, Letybo.

Whitney: Ooh, I've had them all except for Letybo.

Amy: Oh, that's That's the one you're going to like.

Whitney: That's the one we want. All right. Now, I'm excited.

Amy: Okay. So, type B is often the first choice for neck spasms.

Whitney: Oh, I have gotten it in my neck.

Amy: Myobloc is what it's called. So, that's a whole different thing, I think. I think that's like a whole different thing. What you're getting in your neck is still Botox.

Whitney: Oh. Yeah.

Amy: Or Daxxify. So, uh or something like that. So, results from Botox, as we know, one to three days after treatment. I Mine takes a week or two, right, depending on what you get. Yeah, if it's Botox, that usually takes me a week

Whitney: Okay. Oh, really?

Amy: for it to show up. Excuse me, but we're going to get into all that. So, um, It doesn't work on everybody either. So, sorry if it doesn't. Anyway. Okay. So, first of all, we're going to go through these in the order that they have been approved in the US. First off, Botox. It is made by Allergan, Allergan, Allergan? Yeah.

Whitney: I know. Allergan. Yeah. Allergan.

Amy: Approved in 2002. It is the standard, most reliable, popular choice. Botox also has the most FDA-approved indications. That means it's the places it can be used, and conditions it can treat, like you know, it can treat for armpit sweat, and it can, yeah.

Whitney: Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Amy: Um, so it it is can, you know, lift your eyebrow arch too, which I call Dr. Spock. Everybody does, and that's what I've experienced, so. I don't know the last time I actually got actual Botox. How about you?

Whitney: Yeah, I don't know. Honestly, I don't even Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I think I just go in and it's like who has a special.

Amy: It's been a while. Yeah. Yeah.

Whitney: That's really it.

Amy: A lot of times it is. Onset, 5 to 7 days. Duration, 3 to 4 months. Cost, roughly $10 to $20 per unit. That sounds a little on the high side. I also read between $8 to $15.

Whitney: I think like Saving Face is 13.

Amy: I think so.

Whitney: Yeah. I think that sounds right, yeah.

Amy: I think it is. Yeah. All right, next up is Dysport. Dysport, looks like Dysport, is made by Galderma, and it was approved in 2009. So, it has faster onset and greater spread. And this is because of I thought I wrote this in here. Um, it's because of the protein that it's wrapped in, or not having a protein. There's one that doesn't have a protein, and I want to say that's Xeomin.

Whitney: Mhm. Okay.

Amy: Okay. I am sorry about my throat.

Whitney: Do you want to take a sip of water?

Amy: I'm better now. All right, um, so Dysport has greater spread because of something about the protein. So it's ideal for larger treatment areas, so you don't want to use that in tiny treatment areas.

Whitney: Cuz it spreads across.

Amy: Yes. So a big place shot like your forehead. But that freaks me out a little bit. I feel like it's not as precise.

Whitney: Yeah. I don't like to have control. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I have used Dysport before.

Amy: Yeah, I feel like it's not as precise. Yeah, I know a lot of people who have. So, it can be risky in some injection locations, but can create a more natural look. So that's interesting. Best for treating larger areas, like horizontal forehead lines. Onset, 2 to 4 days. Duration, 4 months. Cost, $4 to $8 per unit, so it's cheaper. Requires 2.5 to 3 times more units than Botox to achieve similar results, so you may be getting cheaper per unit, but it's going to cost you about the same.

Whitney: Mhm. That's what we like. Yeah. Well, that's what I I just mouthed to the camera. I was like, "I don't think it's actually any cheaper."

Amy: Yes. It's not. It's not. It's not. It's Yeah. So, there's that. Okay. Next up, you were right. Totally right. Listen to you. You know what's up. Xeomin.

Whitney: Okay. Yes.

Amy: X-E-O-M-I-N.

Whitney: Yep. Had it. Have had it.

Amy: Me too. That's the one I usually get in my lip flip. So, which I mainly do on my top lip. So, I like that for the lip flip.

Whitney: Can you do a lip flip on the bottom?

Amy: Yes. In fact, I know someone who does. Yeah, and they've done it to me, too, and it just relaxes.

Whitney: And then it's just like this?

Amy: Well, sucking through a straw ain't as easy, okay? And sometimes I notice that when I'm talking, I can't form words quite as well, which is not great in my line of work. Okay, so Xeomin, it was approved in 2010. It's made by Merz Pharmaceuticals. It is considered a naked form of toxin A. It's free from any accessory proteins, so this helps reduce the likelihood of your body developing a resistance.

Whitney: Oh, yeah. Well, that's one thing they always say, they're like, "You know what, we should switch it up, cuz you might be getting used to it."

Amy: That is accurate. But the or

Amy: Xeomin's a little bit better, and they think it's going to you're not going to get as used to it.

Whitney: You don't get used to it.

Amy: So, it's a great one if you want to just switch off. It's very similar to Botox, same price and duration and stuff, but it's going to mix it up a little bit, so that's kind of cool. It also, this is weird, does not need to be refrigerated prior to use, because it doesn't have the same proteins.

Whitney: Okay. Right.

Amy: So it to simplify storage and handling requires for requirements for providers, and good for people who've developed that resistance to Botox, or prefer a neurotoxin without complex- complexing proteins, which why would you do that? You would prefer that because you're going to not don't want resistance, so.

Whitney: Yeah. So, yeah.

Amy: Yeah. Onset, 3 to 7 days. Duration, 3 to 6 months. And which is kind of nice that it can go 6 months. I feel like my lip flip goes about 4 months-ish. Cost, $8 to $18 per unit. And I think

Whitney: Yeah. 18?

Amy: everything's just expensive these days. I I think I'm going to cover a little bit more about um prices and duration and stuff. So, All right. Next up. Next up is Daxxify. Daxxify is the one we were talking about. So, it's by Revance Therapeutics. It was approved in 22 2022. I said 2222, okay. 2022.

Whitney: That's the road. That I come in on. That's right. That I still need That's right.

Amy: directions for. Yes, you do. Okay, so it is the newest options, and it is known for its longer-lasting results.

Whitney: the directions. Well, I've had it. Is this the newest one? I thought there's one more.

Amy: Great. No, there is one more.

Whitney: Yeah, okay.

Amy: But um sorry, so it's not the newest. I got I got you next. So, um approved in 2022. It's known for its longer-lasting results. It is differentiated because it uses peptides, your favorite,

Whitney: Yeah. Ooh, love them.

Amy: in place of HSA, human serum albumin.

Whitney: Ooh, I don't want human serum.

Amy: Too late.

Whitney: Damn.

Amy: You've got human serum in you.

Whitney: I've got a lot of human serum serum, and it's not my human.

Amy: I know. So, uh many injectors believe this is the difference that allows Daxxify to deliver softer, gentler, more natural looking results. And check this out. With Daxxify, they say that they've noticed incredible skin tone and texture improvement with a decreased size of pores. Some call it the beautiful toxin.

Whitney: Ooh. Well, that's what I'm typically getting these days, is Daxxify.

Amy: Yeah, I think everybody's moving toward it, and I'm pretty sure I've had it. So, um onset, fast. I like this, because I worry. I don't sleep well after I get any neurotoxin, because they say, you know, "Don't don't move it around." And I'm like, I I sleep kind of sitting up. I'm like paranoid it's going to move.

Whitney: Yeah. Oh, right. Yeah.

Amy: I think that's only for a couple of hours, not like If you get it done in the morning, then you can sleep.

Whitney: I do it for a whole day. I get nervous.

Amy: You're not supposed to work out, which I think is weird.

Amy: Bend over.

Whitney: Yeah, you don't want a lot of blood rushing there. I like get nervous. I freak out a little bit.

Amy: Duration, though, 6 to 9 months. How nice is that? Cost, $15 to $25 per unit, but does require more units than Botox, maybe double, but contains the same amount of active ingredient. I know. Weird, right?

Whitney: Yeah. Dang. Double, and then if it's $18, and then you're getting twice as much, I would rather just go back every three months than have that for I don't know, I guess it all ends up being similar.

Amy: You know, I kind of would too, because I've had mine fucked up too many times, including

Whitney: Yeah, yeah, yeah. You don't want it to last that long.

Amy: right now. I'm I've been unhappy with it, and I wouldn't go back to fix it.

Whitney: What's

Amy: Yeah, look when I frown. See how this one goes up? It's like looks super weird. It's wearing off.

Whitney: Well, you know that other people are not seeing that tiny little difference.

Amy: I notice. I I honestly

Whitney: Right. "I don't look as mad as I want to."

Amy: I really, truly I don't like how I look with it at all. And this was more messed up, and I know they would say, "Why didn't you come back to get it fixed?" But I don't want it fucked up any further. I just want it to wear off.

Whitney: Aw. Right, not just Yeah.

Amy: And let's start again. So, honestly, I don't and I don't think Maybe this is Xeomin, I don't even know what I have in me.

Whitney: Well, I think you look great. Did you just say semen?

Amy: Xeomin. God, it does sound like semen. I don't know if this is semen.

Whitney: I was like, I don't know if you've got semen in you or not. I really Let's just keep talking about the neurotoxins.

Amy: Okay. So, my final one to cover is called Letybo. I don't know if I'm pronouncing it, or letibo, L-E-T-Y-B-O.

Whitney: Drum roll.

Amy: Letibo, I don't know. We're going with Letybo.

Whitney: I think that sounds good.

Amy: And Letybo is made by Hugel, which is from South Korea.

Whitney: Mhm. My favorite people!

Amy: Yep. So it was just approved not too long ago, late 2024, but it's been available in Korea since 2016.

Whitney: Of course.

Amy: Of course. So, uh it is a high purity K-beauty neurotoxin that works by relaxing facial muscles. It's already had over 31 million procedures performed worldwide with this product. It's safe.

Whitney: Dude.

Amy: So, onset, 2 to 3 days. Duration, 3 to 4 months. And typically costs lower than Botox per unit, and it's relatively the same amount of units.

Whitney: Okay, but I will guarantee you that here in America, they will not

Amy: They're going to mark it up.

Whitney: They're going to mark it up.

Amy: Heck.

Whitney: I almost want to just go to South Korea and get all the stuff.

Amy: Be pretty cool, wouldn't it?

Whitney: From them. Yeah.

Amy: Has your uh my algorithm has shown me when people go, and like

Whitney: Oh, yeah. No, I haven't I haven't seen it, but I have a good friend One of my very best friends is Korean. She goes to South Korea every summer.

Amy: Oh, go!

Whitney: So, I need to go with her. The way they do things there, and she always is telling all of her friends, "You need to come over and get your checkups in South Korea. It's all in one building. It's all in one day. You do colonoscopy, and your scans, and your blood work, and everything, and you just go from" It's almost like the Mayo Clinic. You just go from one place to the next,

Amy: Wow. That makes me want to cry.

Whitney: and then you walk out,

Amy: That was so stupid here.

Whitney: you walk out with a disc, or whatever they're giving them now, with all of the information. And by the way, it costs like, I think she said $500, but it's everything.

Amy: $500?

Whitney: Yeah. I know. Don't even get me started.

Amy: And we're like, "America's the best." It's like, come on. Are we? Like, get it together.

Whitney: We're all moving to South Korea. Oh, my gosh. Okay, so tell me the name of that one more time.

Amy: Okay. It is called Letybo.

Whitney: Letybo.

Amy: Letybo. Leti botulinum toxin A.

Whitney: I trust it already.

Amy: I do, too. I do, too.

Whitney: Cuz it's South Korea.

Amy: I do, too.

Whitney: I trust it.

Amy: And of course the cost is lower. It's probably better, and um.

Whitney: Of course.

Amy: PS, I just meant to say this earlier, I am really converting to K-beauty products. Like, I have noticed a difference in my skin that I'm just not even believing, and I'm using these like wipes. I'm liking that Medicube stuff I've bought. Anyway, I I'm

Whitney: Yes. Yeah. Is Medicube South Korea? Oh, I have that, too. I didn't realize.

Amy: Yep. It is. Good. I'm so glad.

Whitney: And nothing from Target, you just ordered it from your Dermstore?

Amy: Um, no. I think I just got it on Amazon, yeah. So, um okay, let's talk a little bit about dosing, cost, duration. So, dosing, of course, as we've been talking about, is not the same across the board, so each product is measured in its own specific unit system, so the potency is just determined by how they calibrate it. Um, so that's a little bit irritating, but it's it's just the way it goes. So, we kind of covered all that, and um just something to pay attention to. So, quick reference, longest lasting is Daxxify. Fastest results is going to be Dysport, but I think Daxxify too is pretty fast, so. Um best for purity and resistance is Xeomin. Budget and younger skin, Jeuveau. Interesting, right? Standard choice is Botox. Average cost, $13 a unit, which I wasn't sure that was something I researched and tried to find, but.

Whitney: Mhm. I think that's what at least Saving Face, I don't know.

Amy: Yeah. Um, so it it of course

Whitney: But then Letybo's not in Have

Amy: Yeah, Letybo's not, so um. All right, so

Whitney: So really, it's it's still the best choice, Letybo.

Amy: Mhm. I think so. I'm I I'm excited to see it out.

Whitney: Now I've got to go look Yeah. I'm literally going to Google where I can find it.

Amy: Yeah. Yeah, we talked we covered resistance, so that is real. Some people develop an antibody resistance against the complex- complexing proteins that Botox is formulated with over time. However, I think, at least according to what I researched, um it's really people who get it regularly for a decade or longer, which kind of is us, but.

Whitney: Oh. Yeah, I'm there.

Amy: Yeah. So, anyway.

Whitney: But that's Botox.

Amy: Yeah. That's Botox. So, Xeomin is the way to go. Yep.

Whitney: And I've switched it up. Yeah, I've switched it up a lot, so.

Amy: Good. You can also mix and match in your face. Um that that's perfectly fine, which I have. Uh so you they all are the same active compound, which is the toxin A, and uh they vary slightly in dosage and how much they spread, but you're totally fine to mix and match according to what I researched. Again, not doctors. Again, not doctors. So, we're living it. So, um side effects and safety, if anybody's listening and they don't know, yeah, we you can get some pain, swelling, or bruising.

Whitney: Mhm. Well, I do. I do mix and match. So, and I'm fine. You have to say it really fast, like they do in the commercials.

Amy: Side effects may include droopy eyelids, a crooked smile, or drooling, watery or dry eyes, infection at the injection site. Serious side effects that may require medical attention include muscle weakness, vision problems, trouble taking or swallowing, talking or swallowing, damn it, breathing problems, allergic reaction, and loss of board bladder control. Damn it, I really wanted to hit that bladder control. You did a great job. Thank you. I have I have gotten headaches, and I've gotten eye twitching. I don't know if you've ever had, drives me

Whitney: Loss of bladder control.

Amy: bananas!

Whitney: No. No, I haven't had any The only side effect I ever get is bruising. And a lot of that is due to drinking.

Amy: Drinking wine, especially.

Whitney: Yeah, if you drink wine and then you go get your Botox done the next day, pow!

Amy: Yeah. Bruise.

Whitney: Sometimes it's just cuz they hit a spot and they can feel it, and it hurts. And they're like, "That's going to bruise." It's like they hit a blood vessel or something. Yeah, you they have little Like at least at Saving Face, they have a little machine where they can look for the blood vessels so that they don't

Amy: Mhm. God, I hate injections.

Whitney: pop into that.

Amy: I know. Anyway, sorry, it just gave me a chill, like thinking about that. Uh, I don't I don't love it. Uh, so aftercare, don't rub or massage the treated area for 24 hours. Don't lie down for 2 to 4 hours after getting the shots. But of course, if you're like me, you're paranoid, and you sit you like sleep sitting up on two pillows. Um, don't do it if you're pregnant or breastfeeding. And of course, uh my personal experience notes, so I've gotten Dr. Spock from too much. I really hate it, because I feel like my face looks heavier and weird, and I just I'm not a fan. It's a necessary evil. Vanity wins for me, and so that's kind of the way. And often times, it creates new problems for me. Like, I developed a little wrinkle like over my eyebrow, you know, and it's just like, okay. Like, I feel like every time I do something, it creates a new problem in another place. So,

Whitney: Yeah. Yeah.

Whitney: My sister, the one that's done, um, Botox for so long, like in her 20s, every night, she sleeps with these silicone um patches, like literally on her neck, on her chest, on her face, on her forehead. She looks like a plastic woman. It's weird. I'm like, you do that every night. But she swears by it. She does it every night. I have tried them on my neck, and they make little they they blow they I don't really know how they work. They they plump up your skin, but in the neck, it would plump up like a line, so I would have like a like a plumped up crease.

Whitney: I know it does, yeah. Yeah. Weird. It was so weird, so I had to stop.

Amy: I have trouble sleeping with that stuff on, too.

Whitney: I don't see how I felt like I was being choked.

Amy: Yeah, I've done it with my chest, because I I don't want those wrinkles between my boobs.

Whitney: Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Amy: But um, golly, it's like

Whitney: She's been wearing them for years.

Amy: I guess she's gotten used to it. And how's how's it affected her skin? How does her skin look?

Whitney: Well, I mean, I think it looks good. She has very dry skin, though, that that that ages you. But um, but no, she looks good.

Amy: Yeah. Yeah. So it looks good.

Whitney: I don't know that it's nec- It's It's the youngest.

Amy: Which sister is? Which is her? Yeah, okay.

Whitney: I don't necessarily think that it she needs to be doing all that. I don't know that it makes that big of a difference.

Amy: Yeah. Yeah.

Whitney: But I would, you know, I I get a lot of wrinkles right here above my lip, as if I was a smoker, but I'm not. I think I make faces

Amy: Do you drink out of straws?

Whitney: Mm-mm. I think I make faces when I'm like blowing dry my hair or when I'm concentrating.

Amy: Hmm. Yeah. I do it when I lift weights. I'll catch myself, and I'm like, "Fuck, I'm wrinkling my lips."

Whitney: Purse my lip. Yeah. You got to do this.

Amy: Oh. Oh, great. No, you don't.

Amy: She put her lip over her mouth like an old woman.

Whitney: Like a gumming like no teeth. Um, anyway, I don't know if it really works long-term, but it's definitely a good hack if you needed to get rid of something for a day.

Amy: My friend Cappy, uh, she told me this was back in the '90s. She told me this, she was like, "My dad" Her dad was like super older when he had her, and uh and like married a younger woman, or whatever, and she said that he used Scotch Tape. And he would she was like, "He will tape here, here every night," and whatever. And she said it worked. Like, he looked totally younger.

Whitney: Okay. Without the Scotch Tape, he looked younger? That's crazy.

Amy: Scotch Tape. Yeah, like He lived his life looking younger, but he Scotch Taped his face every night. Isn't that wild?

Whitney: Huh. I Yeah, it makes me want to try it.

Amy: And when I saw those silicone things, I was like, "Oh, my god. This is kind of like what Cappy's dad did." So, anyway. I know. So funny. Um, so I think that's everything. Yeah, I'm I'm still doing it, and whatever.

Whitney: That's hilarious. I know. I mean, what are you going to do?

Amy: Yeah. I mean,

Whitney: I get that Sculptra.

Amy: Yeah, I know.

Whitney: I think that really does work.

Amy: Uh well, I'm interested to hear more about that, cuz I've never done it, and

Whitney: All right. I'll do an episode on it.

Amy: I'd like Yeah, you've got a note to do one on there, and I would really like that. Yeah, I'm very curious, so.

Whitney: All right. I will. Done.

Amy: Done. All right. Well, I guess that's that, and um we would love to hear your comments, and if you have something to say about your Botox, or whatever, I'd love to hear it, because

Whitney: Yeah, what are you doing that's working?

Amy: Mhm. I like to hear more about it, and you know, uh if you have used the Letybo, I'd love to hear that, too. So, um awesome. You can always reach out to us at anythingbutmidpodcast@gmail, or you can DM us on Instagram @anythingbutmid. Please follow, please rate, review, subscribe, YouTube.

Whitney: Yeah, yeah. Yeah, we're also on YouTube if you like to see the video, although I think it's on Spotify, as well, the video.

Amy: Yeah. It is.

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Amy: That's right. And please share with a friend. We really appreciate it, and we're working to grow this thing. So, uh thank you so much for being here.

Whitney: Yeah, thanks for being here. And remember, you do what you want.